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Sebastian Milla 09-13-2008 09:01 AM

The Age Old Question
 
Hey guys, I'v been on the original mass gain program for about six weeks now and im just about to go into my third week of the strength mesocycle. Here's my question, I don't seem to be gaining all that much mass. I Started the program at 164 and now I m 166 but i feel that that is mostly fat. During my first hypertrophy mesocycle I was in Peru so pwo was a little iffy, as in no carb load after my workouts so i started doing 10 blocks of carbs 5 blocks of protein after my strength workouts. I am progressing steadily with the weight but I'm not seeing a lot of muscle mass. Am I just impatient or should I supplement? I'm 17 so I think I could handle it recovery wise seeing as I get at least eight hours of sleep a night. Thanks.

Steven Low 09-13-2008 11:23 AM

What are your lift numbers? BF%? What are you eating specifically? Need more information on everything.

If you're a novice you should probably do Starting Strength...

Sebastian Milla 09-14-2008 08:24 AM

definitely not a novice. already tried starting strength and progressed jack squat. been doing crossfit before starting this. starting strength seems to be more for complete newbs who have never entered a gym. before i picked up SS i'd been gymming for a year.

Let's see, these are my current numbers:

Squat: 135
C & J: 115
Front Squat: 125
Snatch: 80
Press:80

I don't know my deadlift or bench because I haven't checked them in a while, let's just say that they are 150 and 105 respectively.

My body fat must be around 12-15 % because i can still fit into my jeans. I am currently zone-paleo at 20 blocks 5X fat as prescribed by Robb's "Skinning the Zone" Article.

Steven Low 09-14-2008 10:31 AM

Up the weight more aggressively (with good form if possible) and eat a bit more.

Make sure you're getting enough sleep + eliminate stress from your life.

That's what I can generally tell you for now I guess.

Sebastian Milla 09-14-2008 03:46 PM

alright. up to 21 blocks? i feel like that will help going into the hypertrophy meso again. what about pwo? is 5 blocks pro 10 blocks cho overkill or undereating?

Arien Malec 09-14-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Milla (Post 38840)
alright. up to 21 blocks? i feel like that will help going into the hypertrophy meso again. what about pwo? is 5 blocks pro 10 blocks cho overkill or undereating?

If you have any doubt, you are undereating. If you feel like eating has become a chore, like you eat until full, then eat again, and if you feel like you see the result of your eating every day in the toilet, you may be eating enough.

Most likely, if you have only gained 2 lbs in 3 weeks of mass gain, you aren't eating enough.

Gavin Harrison 09-15-2008 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Milla (Post 38766)
Hey guys, I'v been on the original mass gain program for about six weeks now and im just about to go into my third week of the strength mesocycle. Here's my question, I don't seem to be gaining all that much mass. I Started the program at 164 and now I m 166 but i feel that that is mostly fat. During my first hypertrophy mesocycle I was in Peru so pwo was a little iffy, as in no carb load after my workouts so i started doing 10 blocks of carbs 5 blocks of protein after my strength workouts. I am progressing steadily with the weight but I'm not seeing a lot of muscle mass. Am I just impatient or should I supplement? I'm 17 so I think I could handle it recovery wise seeing as I get at least eight hours of sleep a night. Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Milla
Squat: 135
C & J: 115
Front Squat: 125
Snatch: 80
Press:80

So, you honestly believe that as a 165-ish pound male squatting 135 lbs, that you're not a novice level lifter? I don't buy it. You're not doing something right, sleep, eating, drinking the GOMAD, something. Fix it and do SS again, with the milk.

Derek Weaver 09-15-2008 09:02 AM

Didn't Rip say something to the effect that something like SS will work for everyone, just not for long.

"Gymming for a year" isn't exactly the qualification for not being a novice lifter.

Buy the book, eat more and do the program.

Ben Moskowitz 09-15-2008 09:18 AM

If those are kg's he's probably not a novice.

Kevin Perry 09-15-2008 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Moskowitz (Post 38882)
If those are kg's he's probably not a novice.

Good catch


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