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Kevin Parsons 01-13-2009 03:51 AM

Clean, Back Squat, Bench programming
 
I have been following the CA WOD for a little while now, but my workout partner and I have decided to compete in a small weightlifting meet that our school is putting on. The comp. will consist of BS, Bench, and Clean, on three different days, and I would like help with a program we can follow. The meet will be sometime in early April/late March.

The excercises I feel will be benificial and need to be in the programming:

BS, FS, OHS, Bench, Clean, Clean Technique(tall, power, hang, etc.), Bench assist(close-grip, floor press, weighted dips, etc.), pull-ups/bent-rows, shoulder press/push press, clean pulls/DL, and ab work.

So, just some early ideas for programming were as follows:

Mon- BS, BP, PU or Bent-row
Tues- OHS, Clean Technique, short metcon
Wedn- FS, SP or PP, Clean pull or DL, Abs
Thurs- Rest
Fri- BP assist, short metcon
Sat- Clean, Abs


Thoughts? Advice? What needs chnging?

Thanks

Ari Kestler 01-13-2009 06:59 AM

I think you might be doing too much/overthinking.

You only need to get better at 3 exercises. If you are already competent in most of these exercises and lifts, and your only reason for training until the meet is to perform the BS, bench and clean, then guess what? Just BS, Bench and Clean. SS style.

MWF

BS
Bench
Clean

If you are beyond linear progression or beginner gains then you will have to play around with the sets and reps, but 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps seems logical for everything. Eat a lot. Sleep a lot. Game over.

Jamie Crichton 01-13-2009 12:05 PM

I agree with the simple approach. Scrap all the metcon stuff, totally unnecessary. Remember, if what you are doing isn't getting you closer to your goals, then it's moving you further away. You've specified a goal: compete in this meet, in BP, BS and Clean.

I think if you want to train more frequently than 3 times a week you may need to be a little creative with your exercise choices to avoid burning out, but just training those movements regularly with basic periodisation to set you up for the meet would serve you well.

As far as sets and reps go, 3-5 of 3-5 sounds good for squats and bench, but I'd probably keep it as doubles and singles for the clean. I don't see the point in doing greater than that often; you get tired and technique goes to ratshit fast. Work up to 2-4 heavy singles; doing your technique work as your warm-up (tall cleans etc).

For assistance work go for scap circuits and glute activation. This will keep your body healthy without crushing you with volume. Stretch and foam roll after every session. Let us know how it goes!

Kevin Parsons 01-14-2009 07:28 PM

Thank you for the replies so far! I would def. agree that the volume was high!


I would really like to have a seperate day for clean techinique work. This day will be light to work on our sticking points. I would also like a day for front squats b/c I need to get those #'s up too. Here is a modified version:

Mon: Light clean technique work, abs
Tues: Rest
Wed: Front Squat, Pull ups or rows
Thur: Rest
Fri: Bench, abs
Sat: Back Squat, Clean

Still too high volume? I am open to all opinions!

And what is scrap circuitng?

Jason Tanner 01-14-2009 07:49 PM

I'm not so sure if you would even ab work. Your doing plenty of work on the abs already with all your lifting in the program, is there any reason for you to want to keep the ab work (such as wanting to keep an 6 pack, although that may be more influenced from your diet)?

Kevin Parsons 01-14-2009 07:56 PM

Def. not for the 6-pack. I'm at about 12% right now @ 210, and I've never been able to function very well at below 7is% so I have no chance or desire to cut down to the 198 class. The extra ab work is just for additional strength and conditioning of the abs. I feel like my core limits many of my lifts(OHS, FS, etc.).

Should I just do one day of additional ab work instead of the two?

Matt Edwards 01-14-2009 07:57 PM

I'm not sure how the benching back to back will be for you. Try it out and see if your body responds well.

Kevin Parsons 01-14-2009 08:34 PM

That was def. not supposed to be in their! Thanks for pointing that out...

Gavin Harrison 01-15-2009 12:34 AM

Why not some original Bill Starr 5x5? It's simple, fairly short, and should work fine for anyone in the ~intermediate range of strength...

Heavy, Light, Medium.

5x5 Clean
5x5 Bench
5x5 Back Squat

Heavy Day: ramp up weight to a top set of 5, making 5-10 pound jumps each set
(ie. 90, 95, 100, 105, 110), each week add 5 lbs.
Light Day: Ramp up the first 2 sets, then three sets across.. same weights as your heavy day (90, 95, 100, 100, 100).
Medium Day: Ramp up 3 sets, then two across.

Specificity + Frequency = win?

Allen Yeh 01-15-2009 05:11 AM

What are your current numbers and experience in these 3 lifts? How about training experience?

I'm going to chime in that I think you need a bit more frequency in the lifts than once a week. You have basically 8 weeks of triaining and then 1 backoff week prior to your competition right? Having a set date will help you backwards plan your programming better as no one should go balls out 1-2 weeks within a comp.

I would definitely bench more than twice a week, even if it's variations of the bench. How is your bench press form? Rip's videos in regard the the form were great and helped me rework my bench some, the things I always try to cue myself before a lift is upper back tight and set, lower back arched w/ ass on bench, leg drive.

Scap circuiting as someone else mentioned is stuff like scap pushups, wall slides, neutral grip face pulls...etc.

Quote:

Your revised template:

Mon: Light clean technique work, abs
Tues: Rest
Wed: Front Squat, Pull ups or rows
Thur: Rest
Fri: Bench, abs
Sat: Back Squat, Clean
My variation of what you have down:
Mon - clean technique work, back squats , romanian deadlifts + 1 ab superset
Tue - rest
Wed - flat bench, row variations, extra volume to strengthen triceps a few sets of dips...etc whatever, ab circuit
Thu - rest
Fri - cleans, front squats, some single leg stuff + PC stuff(GHR's, pullthroughs, good mornings...etc)
Sat. - pullups, bench variation(DB's, or close grip...etc), single arm row varations

With all this stuff being said, it is only ~9 weeks away and depending on your training age Gavin's approach or rather Bill Starr's approach might be best.


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