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Kevin Perry 08-21-2009 12:27 AM

Excessive Vitamin Intake + Gum Bleeding
 
Topic kind of sums it up, I started upping my supplement intake pretty heavily when I started the new mass cycle about 6 weeks ago. They include a B complex, multivitamin, ZMA, glucosamine, fish oil, creatine, bcaa's, probiotics, and lastly digestive enzymes. This is combined with a caloric intake roughly 3500 - 4000 a day which includes a little over 1/2 gallon of milk a day maybe more.

By about the second week I was getting bleeding in my mouth in the mornings upon waking up, I'm guessing it was from the gums since I'm prone to that kind of bleeding due to sensitive gums but it's been that way since I started supplementing like this. I never had bleeding gums or that iron-ish taste in the mornings before this.

Last night about an hour and a half after my workout I ended up bleeding heavier than all the other times before, it just came out of nowhere really. My only idea is that all this bleeding could be due to either a deficiency or an overabundance of some vitamin though I'm not sure which.

So far it is not interfering with my training but it is an annoyance and I'd prefer to take precautions and track down the source if it is dietary which I suspect it is.

Do any of you guys have experience with this or know what it could possible be?

garrett stack 08-21-2009 04:06 AM

Kevin
I know when I upped my cod liver oil intake up to about 15 1g capsules a day , my gums would start bleeding after brushing my teeth . I dropped back down to 10 and it stopped.
May be different for you.

Allen Yeh 08-21-2009 04:27 AM

How much fish oil? I recall something about excessive fish oil thinning the blood?

http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_....cfm?x=b11,0,w

Do you floss regularly at least 1x a day if not 2x's? One of the best tips I've ever gotten from Dan John.

Darryl Shaw 08-21-2009 07:12 AM

Kevin,

Apart from the fish oil which you may require if you aren't getting ~0.5-1.8g epa + dha/d from eating oily fish you don't actually need any of those supplements so as you're on a mass cycle why not use the money you're spending on supps to buy some real food?

Kevin Perry 08-21-2009 11:36 AM

Yea, fish oil I've been taking in about 5 grams per day, Im a bad flosser maybe only a few times a week but I do need to use one of those tooth paste brands for gum bleeding and I brush 2 -3 x day. I did up the fish oil a ton when I started this cycle so it could be that.

Darryl, the only time I really supplement heavy is during a mass cycle as I don't supplement much at all besides fish oil during regular stuff. I don't even use whey proteins. Besides, costco brands are cheaper.

Garrett Smith 08-21-2009 12:57 PM

Yes, first check the fish oil. Try quitting for a couple of days, that will have an effect sooner.

Darryl Shaw 08-22-2009 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Perry (Post 61668)
Darryl, the only time I really supplement heavy is during a mass cycle as I don't supplement much at all besides fish oil during regular stuff. I don't even use whey proteins. Besides, costco brands are cheaper.

Eating more automatically increases your intake of all nutrients so there's no real need for supplements during a mass cycle.

Kevin Perry 08-22-2009 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darryl Shaw (Post 61696)
Eating more automatically increases your intake of all nutrients so there's no real need for supplements during a mass cycle.

This is true but not always so depending on the quality of the food. Not everyone has access to organic or low processed food so that is an argumentative point. Fish oil is a supplement yet we are all encouraged to take it, a good multivitamin has always been encouraged. Creatine/BCAA's are known to improve recovery, several members here use it. Probiotics are important for gut health, etc.

Not exactly wasted in my opinion and there are several that would agree with me.


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