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Old 05-09-2008, 12:00 PM   #3
Arden Cogar Jr.
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Arien,
I'm a novice olympic lifter, but a very very seasoned deadlifter. In studying what I've studied since I got into oly lifting last Fall, my guess is that the answer to your first question is to "hit the groove" with slightly more than ME clean/snatch weights. More than that would slow the movement and not stimulate the neural pathways correct or not imprint the speed necessary to obtain the proper benefit from the movement.

That said, and an my novice weightlifter's take on your second question is, "go for it." I deadlift once a week and I meter/wave it with my dynamic movements. If I'm going over 75% with my dynamic movements, I dead light. If I'm under 75% with my dynamic movements, I dead heavy. I also never do the same type of dead (sumo, conventional, snatch grip, conventional clean grip, rack pull) from weekly session to weekly session to keep my body guessing on the stimulus. I have an idea when I go into the session (ie., the type of pull), but I don't really know until I get about 495 on the bar on how heavy or what rep scheme I'm going to implement that day. I never do anything less than 3 to 5 reps though. Age has brought some semblance of wisdom.

Don't know if that helps at all. But it's what I do. It's working pretty well, but I'll likely continue to lighten it up as the years go on and focus more on the technical aspect of the speed necessary for what I'm trying to accomplish.

All the best,
Arden

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Originally Posted by Arien Malec View Post
Following on the recent dueling articles in PM and the CFJ on high bar vs low bar squats, I'd like to pose a question I've wondered about.

Rip and others argue for using max effort deadlifts to build a strength base which can be applied to speed-strength in the olympic lifts.

The weightlifting routines I've seen and been coached on prescribe clean and snatch deadlifts that

a) are only slightly in excess of the lifter's best clean/snatch
b) have movement patterns in line with the clean and snatch movements

I've got two basic questions:

1) What's the point of doing a clean deadlift at 105% of your clean vs. just doing clean pulls, which better mimic the movement patterns of the first and second pull, work directly on speed-strength, and have the same overload characteristics
2) What's so wrong with doing max effort, anything goes deadlifts to build basic strength?
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