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Old 05-12-2008, 05:36 PM   #22
Dave Van Skike
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Originally Posted by Yoon Sohn View Post
I've had good experience incorporating clean/snatch deadlifts, but I've only ever gone up to ~110% of max clean/snatch. Great confidence builder if the 1st pulls tend to feel heavy.

You may have seen this video of Kendrick Farris snatch deadlifting 230kg for 5 which I think is about 150% of his best snatch. So I'd say there's definitely merit in going heavy, depending on the individual of course.

On the subject of relative numbers, you will all laugh at me, but the most I've ever pulled from the floor (about 2 years into strength/Oly training) is 120kg. My max clean is 110, clean and jerk is 108, front squat is 117.5. I haven't maxed out the back squat recently, but that has always been pretty close to my front squat. Could I benefit from a better strength base? Most definitely. I've spent a bit too much time thinking about technique/efficiency and not nearly enough on the strength component!

btw, here's another pretty extensive discussion of deadlifting as it applies to Olympic lifting:
http://goheavy.com/forums/olympic/index.cgi/read/64281

Nice link.

I have never had luck with my dead translating to any other bar movement...Nor have my power cleans translated to my dead ala Bill Starr.

Squats, mediumish bar placement, athletic stance (Rippatoe style) seem to translate to everyhting. If my back squat is moving up, so is my front squat and deadlift, so is are my RDL and hi pulls.

I am no olympic lifter and when I do variants it's always a power versions or a hi pulls, done really light (185-225) for explosion. These translate directly to weird stuff like keg loading, atlas stones and tire which are done with weights well in excess of what I can clean.

The thing about the deadlift..(I've been lifting and watching some good deadlifters) is that it requires lots of patience..I think to do it well, you have to be able to grind through the sticking points. I know those that espouse the dip and rip pull but I think it's more about individual morphology than anyhting else. most of us humans need to grind our deads. It sure seem that if you get a strong Oly lifter deadlifting 500 for a slow grindy triple, that's not going to help.

OTOH there's K. (My Way) Ferris doing nice smooth pulls in a snatch grip in that same neighborhood....I love watching that guy.
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