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Old 06-09-2009, 04:50 AM   #9
Darryl Shaw
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Originally Posted by George Mounce View Post
Darryl I don't see the point to your posting these articles. Do you want discussion or are you trying to prove something?
I post these articles because I find them interesting and think, perhaps mistakenly, that others may find them interesting too. If they spark debate that's fine if they don't *shrug* no big deal.

Why do I post them here then where I know my opinion (bias) goes against the norm? Because I know that if a study has some obvious flaw that I miss due to confirmation bias someone will leap on it to prove what an idiot I am. If I posted these articles on some of the other forums I use where people mostly agree with me this wouldn't happen. I also like the way that for the most part disagreements here are settled with reason, logic and science rather than personal attacks, a rare thing in my experience of the internet.

Originally Posted by George Mounce
Guess what, go to any clinic working with 1) the morbidly obese, and 2) diabetics (Type 2 especially). Their carbohydrate levels are ridiculous.
I'm guessing that refined sugar and hfcs make up the bulk of their carb intake right (?) because you have to really work at it to become obese on a diet of unrefined carbs. Also having observed the way my dad who is obese and has type 2 diabetes eats I suspect most overweight diabetics eat quite a lot of fat too.

Originally Posted by George Mounce
The American Diabetic Association has moved towards the paleolithic diet after much research and much success with patients. There is a reason for this...lower total production of insulin, and in the case of Type 1 diabetics (one of which is my mother) results in an over 50% reduction in required insulin intake. You are going to find it very hard to convince any diabetic educator that eating more carbohydrates is going to help insulin levels...ever.
You'll get no arguments from me about the benefits of the paleo diet except that my version of the diet is based on foods that would have been available to hunter-gatherers in Africa 100,000+ years ago rather than the diets of more modern N. American hunter-gatherers.

Originally Posted by George Mounce
Guess what else, these people WERE GIVEN FOOD. They didn't eat their normal diet. I can make any research tell me what I want it to tell me as well when I am the one controlling all the variables.

Research like this is horrid in so many ways, and since I have to get to work I don't even want to waste the time typing out all the blaring errors in their methods.
I agree you can design a study that will prove almost anything you want but, like I said before, people here are usually quick to point out any flaws in a study if only to prove what an idiot I am for believing such nonsense.
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