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Old 10-27-2006, 12:14 PM   #1
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Are we on board with the ZMA B4 bed? As an aging athlete (47) I'm looking to enhanced recovery. I'm not sure I'm healing faster I'm still sore in the morning.
I'm experiencing the odd dream state I have heard mentioned by others.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:33 PM   #2
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My problems with ZMA stem from the window of opportunity the nutrient combination seems to have. If I don't take it between 30-45 minutes of going to sleep, it seems to disturb my sleep, rather than enhance it. I have the same problem with melatonin.

One thing that might be nice to add to a bedtime/ZMA kind of stack is the amino acid L-Taurine.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:50 PM   #3
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I take it right before bed (which is usually about 1hr after eating or less). Occationally I take it during the day. I have not noticed any affects to my sleep, but I might start paying attention to it now.
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:07 PM   #4
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I like it. The literature looks good. Not a panacea but I think it's worth tinkering with.
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Old 10-30-2006, 05:42 AM   #5
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When I took ZMA as a combined product I did notice I had very vivid dreams. When I took zince oxide and magnesium aspartate as seperate pills, I didn't notice any crazy dreams.

I didn't notice anything noticeble one way or the other when experimenting both ways, other than the dreams.

I've seen the dosing they recommend anyone else have any deviation from that they they personally like? Does everyone else just take the combined pill? Or does anyone else take it as seperate supplements, 2 zinc pills+3 magnesium pills?
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Old 10-30-2006, 08:08 AM   #6
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Yes...the dreams. That is the part that convinced me that ZMA was worth it. I am still "Old School" enough to believe that the more I dream (or the clarity) is a factor in measuring the worth of a night's rest.

Steve is right. I swallow them right before I go to bed and you can take them earlier, but it seems to change the sleep pattern. So, you will get up to pee (drinking water with the pills), but the quality is better. And, if you use the bed for anything else but sleep when you first lay down...you are going to simply pass out after...and sleep great! This will help recovery, I tell Tiff...
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Old 01-01-2007, 08:55 AM   #7
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Are we on board with the ZMA B4 bed? As an aging athlete (47) I'm looking to enhanced recovery. I'm not sure I'm healing faster I'm still sore in the morning.
I'm experiencing the odd dream state I have heard mentioned by others.
I am so glad to have seen this thread. After starting ZMA a couple days ago I can see a dramatic, probably 2 hours, difference in the time I sleep. Fantastic! Dreams or not, this stuff is great, no hype.
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Old 01-01-2007, 03:54 PM   #8
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ZMA is a foundational supplement as far as I am concerned. When considering noticable results and effectiveness, I personally rank it above creatine, whey, aminos, etc . If my budget was extremely tight, I would only take ZMA and a good multi.....and some multis even include a ZMA blend. If I could afford to eat strictly organic, I wouldn't even take a multi.
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:31 AM   #9
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Here's another thought into how ZMA is so effective:

ZMA shuttles out circulating blood glucose
Low blood glucose gives you that tired feeling (aka going to sleep after taking it)
Low glucose = low insulin
low insulin = high GH
GH is maximally released during the first 2-3 hours of REM sleep
so ZMA maximizes GH release and body repair at night
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:30 PM   #10
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I do not understand what the difference is between this and just getting zinc and magnesium aspartate and b12 separately?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_%28supplement%29
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