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Old 05-02-2008, 12:18 PM   #1
Arden Cogar Jr.
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Default Question about dynamic speed lifts and it's affect upon speed strength reserves....

Hello all,
Maybe this is a question for Greg, or anyone who wants to chime in. As many know, I compete in lumberjack sports for a hobby. It's a sport predicated upon hand eye coordination and hand speed. I got into olympic lifting to make myself faster and It's had great carryover. However, as my season is fastly approaching and my event training volume increasing, I'm finding myself increasingly tired and having absoltuely no "snap" in either my event training sessions or my olympic lifting training sessions.

I've been bantering this back in forth with colleagues and coaches and I'm starting to come to the conclusion that I need to step back from the speed lifts for a little bit and concentrate on my speed event training. Keep on working on ME strength movements (front squat, deads, push presses, squats, ohs, pull ups, hspu, etc...) but back away from c&J and snatches.

I really respect all the folk who take the time to post thoughts and offer advice here and I would appreciate any input anyone may have.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 05-02-2008, 12:37 PM   #2
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Take a slow week....rest...recover...work on skill stuff only. That would be my recommendation.
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Old 05-02-2008, 12:51 PM   #3
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Well it's either adrenal fatigue, leaky gut or nightshades.

How's the IF? Zone blocks? enough tabata's?

or......maybe it's the obvious stuff.


Were I in your generously sized shoes, I'd dance with the girl what brung me. I'd go back to the basics, take a couple rest days and then a couple play days.

Drop the volume (you are so freaking strong you're not going to lose ME strength) adn jsut play it. at most singles and doubles as awarm up for your events and then do the events.

I always have the impulse to hammer my weaknesses well past the point where I'm gettign better. The best thing for me, once I start obviously regressing opr losign snap is to drop volume and go back to stuff I'm good at for a while and just play it. All that shit levels out.
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Old 05-02-2008, 12:52 PM   #4
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Arden -

Typical competition prep involves systematically reducing volume (and usually loading) and moving more into sport-specific skill work. So a few weeks out, I'd start cutting back on the o-lifts - singles only, fewer sets - basically just some maintenance work.
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Old 05-02-2008, 01:41 PM   #5
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Mike, Dave, and Greg,
Thank you so much for your thought and effort. Makes perfect sense in what you've written. I've backed off the past few days and I'm already feeling better. I'm doing a demo tomorrow, and event training with some friends and my daughter on Sunday. But no weights until Monday.

I really think I fried my CNS and was in adrenal fatigue. The past four weeks, I've been doing complexes for both my snatch and c&j warm ups (power, hang, full). On my snatch day, I'd do the complex, then three drop snatches with the weight. I'd do these things every other day and even train on days I didn't lift. I think I really need to cut the complexes out for a while.

Dave, very good points and thanks for the kind words. Time to go back to my bread and butter training for a bit. Oh, that does not mean I'm going to do a bicep curl of any sort. Phil and I often joke about training biceps and, given your background and training, I think you'll get the joke.

I sincerely appreciate everyone's time.

All the best,
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Old 05-02-2008, 11:05 PM   #6
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It's like trying to train sprints everyday.... you can't do it.

Not necessarily adrenal fatigue but something similar of the sort. Probably CNS/sympathetic blunted response.

Speaking of which on a similar note I have a link to a study on my other comp about 1 RM only training consecutive days in a row leading to overtraining. I'll post it next time I get the chance.

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Old 05-03-2008, 06:50 AM   #7
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Dan John's book "From the Ground Up" at http://danjohn.org/book.html covers the use of Olympic lifts for sports strength training. If you haven't read it, I think you'd find it worth your time. Particularly note page 35 on recovery, page 57 on in season training, and page 66 on year round training. While the book is gear towards lifting and trhrowing, it should be applicable to the lumberjack events.
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