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Old 11-17-2008, 06:15 AM   #1
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So during my first weightlifting meet (totaled 192kg [81/111]) I was being told that the bar is crashing down on me while I lift; the final weights should've been my openers I've heard. Watching video from the lifts I was dropping under the weights and in a full squat almost before the barbell started to descend.

How can I teach myself to meet the bar better?
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:06 AM   #2
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Brian, I dunno 'bout any of that stuff, but it was great to meet you and congratulations on doing so well in your first meet. I think you did awesome..

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Old 11-17-2008, 07:49 AM   #3
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Brian,
Sounds to me, like you could benefit from doing some tall movements. I'll defer to others, but I think you need to start with the bar and learn to catch the bar smoothly from the tall position. There's some great instructional videos in the Resources page here.

Personally, I'm doing a ton of tall and hang movements for a different reason - I have an aversion to getting under the bar. For an intirely different reason, i think these movments would be beneficial to you in learning to not "undershoot" the bar when you're going into the third pull.

I would do them as part of your warm ups for your main movements. No need to go overboard. But you will need to teach yourself to be smooth on that third pull. Meet the bar. Don't let it topple on you.

Be patient. It will come in time.

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Old 11-17-2008, 08:08 AM   #4
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Do you have the videos from the meet? It would be helpful (and cool in general) to see them.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:41 AM   #5
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Yeah, I just uploaded 2 vids of my 2nd snatch and 3rd clean and jerk. 116kg s the heaviest weight I've handled by the way (6kg+).

Thankyou, Susie. It was great to meet you! Hopefully I can qualify for Jr. Nationals soon.

Snatch 77kg
Clean and Jerk 116kg
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:59 AM   #6
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Snatch looked good. Clean definitely a problem.

Pretty common problem with cleans, particularly at your stage when you're clearly able to pull a lot more than you're cleaning (in other words, it's easy to over pull). Arden's suggestion of doing tall cleans is a good one. Also, try doing a set with a fairly light weight in which you do maybe 3 reps and receive each one at a different level. In other words, on the first rep, power clean it high; next, power clean it low (on both PCs, ride it down into a squat after receiving it); next, try to receive it right around parallel. This should help you get a better sense of where you and the bar are relative to each other - the key is that you have to receive the bar wherever it is - if you pull it high, you better be up there to get it.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:53 AM   #7
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Nice job, Brian!

You definitely had a lot more weight in you for the snatch, that looked easy.

What did you weigh in at?

EDIT: I was also told that my openers were way too light. Heck, I started with 60kg, ended with 77kg, my coach told me my last lift was my best & strongest.

I missed my C&J 116 too...
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Weighed in at 74.6, including my sweatpants.

Greg, would you recommend doing that type of clean from the floor only or should I mix it up with hang and blocks?
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Oh my God this is frustrating. I just can't stop the bar from crashing down on me. To a point I think it would help me if I went under the bar slower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mgfBvtj8JI
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Oh my God this is frustrating. I just can't stop the bar from crashing down on me. To a point I think it would help me if I went under the bar slower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mgfBvtj8JI

Brian,
On that one, it looked to me like you jumped forwards You have tons of strength, so that's not the issue.

I think you would benefit from backing off and working the bejesus out of tall movements - or at least doing them as part of your warm ups to program your body to get under the bar.

I've had the same problem as you and I've gotten better doing the fully extended versions (fully shrugged and up on the toes) with the bar and 40 kilos. Then when I go up to 50 kilos with my next warm up move, I start flat footed and unshurgged. I do that at again with 60 kilos. After that, with 70, 80, 90, etc. I do ever descending hang cleans (ie., with 70, it might be from mid thigh, 80 be from above the knee, 90 from below the knee). Until I'm pulling from the floor once I get over 100.

Looking at this last video, people's comments, and early videos, I think your issue, as you have rightfully identified is "meeting the bar" with proper timing. I think the silly stuff I'm doing above might help you engraining the "meeting the bar" with at least some better timing.

Good luck. don't know if any of this helps?

All the best,
Arden

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