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Old 01-25-2009, 09:37 AM   #1
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Where did the Chinese method of high-pulls and rows come from and why? I know with some searching I've found that Chinese pulls were used by Dave Sheppard even before they were cool.

What are the purposes of doing pulls and reversing direction? What is the purpose of doing rows lying prone on a bench?
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:53 PM   #2
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Bump? Seriously, no one has any input?
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:36 PM   #3
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eh maybe to fully engage and recruit the fibers and create a new adaptation? Im not familiar with Chinese style lifts.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:26 PM   #4
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not really sure, my friend went and trained in china for a while with some of the lifters. the one coach said they do lots of extra muscle work to help prevent injury. but I really dont have a expert or scientific explination. they do lots of upright rows, pull higher on clean pulls. He said that he saw a few of the girl lifters doing kipping pull ups. and a lot of the lifters do isolation stuff also, like curls and tricep ext. and wrist curls and what not. I started doing more upright rows and pulling my cleans higher, my power clean starting getting a lot better. actually I can power clean my PR for squat clean.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:21 AM   #5
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Aaccording to Ma Jianping, who was a member of the Chinese National team a number of years ago and then a coach of the Junior National team and coach to a couple of Olympians, they do them this way to more perfectly mimic the top of the regular clean and snatch. The change of direction from pulling to going under is one of the most important parts of the lift, and regular pulls dont train this.

As far as the other exercises, Ma explained to me that they believe that racially the Chinese are not as "muscular" or strong as some other ethnic groups, especially in the upper body, thus they need to do extra work to build muscles, which some other lifters may not need to do. Dont neccessarily believe this myself, just reporting what someone who should know told me.

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Old 03-02-2009, 09:17 AM   #6
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The reality is that the only way to accurately replicate the pull of the snatch or clean is to snatch or clean... that movement is predicated on the fact that you will at its end be pulling yourself under the bar. So it's just one more way (of many) to try to do a little better.

I'm not personally convinced it's better than what might be called a more traditional pull, but I do think each has its merits and its place in training. Definitely though I don't believe that style pull should be taught to beginning lifters - it's hard enough to get them to quit pulling with their arms, and this is just confusing (for example, I trained a guy a couple weeks ago who lives in Beijing and is being coached there, and this was a HUGE problem for him).

But for more advanced lifters who don't need to worry so much about things like that, I think it can be valuable. A lot of lifters are weak right in that ROM and have sissy 3rd pulls, so occasionally, I think this can help a bit. Of course, the position you're in is nowhere near where you'll be in a snatch or clean, so how transferable the strength is is questionable.
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