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Old 04-30-2009, 04:42 AM   #1
Torsten Hauptmann
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Default when to shift back from oly. WL only to CF only

please move this thread if it should have fit better in the fitness forum...thanks!!

as i wanted to improve my WL i found a WL club and started exclusively training it for one month. WL but as my goal is overall fitness i wondern when to go back to CF. I found one very good WL coach with whom i am training now. He said that in one year i would possible snatch 110kg (240lbs) and c&j 130kg (285lbs) but recently the coach was surprised with my fast progessions.
i am about 200lbs and 6'2" i wonder when i should go back to CF training? esp. as it might happen that i have to move in the next three month and thus having to find a new coach/training alone.
Due to improper form i had to re-lern the lifts and snatch now 60kg (130lbs) and c&j (80kg) 175 lbs but i did not do a 1 rep max for my c&j.
so what you think?
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:20 AM   #2
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Learn the lifts then, learn them well and get strong at them. Get as strong as you can possibly be in weightlifting and then go back to CF if you so desire. CrossFit will become a joke at a high level of strength and power developed from weightlifting. Also, don't completely drop weightlifting, do some med-heavy snatches and CJ's in your warmups to stay in the groove.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:28 AM   #3
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Why would you stop either one? If you enjoy both, why not do both? Remember, following the mainsite WOD is not the only way to "do crossfit." Why not Oly 3 days while following some of the CF Football WODs, for example or doing a CFSB program for a while? And I would say focusing on Oly lifting is following that whole "regularly learn and practice new sports" part of crossfit. I dont know, I just dont see one being at odds with the other, especially when the lifts are such an important part of the CF methodology.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:09 AM   #4
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brian, your posts are always enlightening
but how do you define "get as strong as you can?" that means when is CF to be considered as a joke in terms of WL?

I asked my coach about it and he said provided that a lifter starts at the age of 14 and is somewhat suitable to WL he is bound to two 7 year cycles which will lead that athlete to the best condition he can reach. the first 7 years are about learning the technique in depth and obviously get the strength. In that time some serious competetive results can be achived. the (competetive) progression in the next 7 years is bound to the need to move up in the weight class. on the third 7 years there is usualy no significant improvement if not any regression...
but as i am 25 there is no chance to fit into that description even as i have no competetive WL intents

Justin Algera: i now go only for WL because CF or related activites do shorten my regeneration time i have for WL thus i did not get that much back from my training as i could at least in terms of WL. so i think it is a better idea to do WL for some time only.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:50 AM   #5
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Do mostly WL. If you get very strong at WL, you will have a ton of reserve strength for CF, if and when you ever feel the need to go back to it, all of your workouts will be better either to begin with or in a very short time.

Fitness is relative. Metcon "fitness" is specialized and is built on a base of strength first.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:10 AM   #6
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Garreth, is there somewhat of a number either as total number i.e. 110kg snatch 130kg c&j or relative number i.e. when i improve only 5kg at one lift in two month i stop WL (not completly of course) and go back to CF.
The thing is that the CF fitness works for me as a soldier very well and if my endurace is that much down that i can not perform my duties without (subjectively judged) serious effort i need to do more CF but until then i can WL. But that is not the way i want to measure because that would be not a measurement but an emergency plan. But again Metcon fitness is the one i need so i have no intent in becomming a good competetive WLer thus i need to find a way to measure my WL progress in terms to get more out of metcons...of course i would ever do a hybrid programm with WL and CF....
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