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Old 12-05-2009, 12:47 PM   #1
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On these supplements and their usefulness to an athlete and if they are really needed...
  • B-100
  • Cayenne
  • Ginkgo
  • Alpha Lipoic Acid
  • Acetyl L-Carnitine

I don't take a lot of stuff, but I am looking to keep my supplementation to the bare minimum to save money and cut back on usage.

I'm thinking my staples would be:
  • Fish Oil (12 g per day, Costco brand... helps with inflammation and lipid profile)
  • High Quality Multi (if anyone has a great suggestion that would encompass a good amount of B vitamins as well it would be great, I take a whole food vitamin but I want to hear if you guys have a great one that is low cost and good quality)
  • B-12
  • ZMA
  • Vitamin D (5000 iu a day)
  • Calcium

Help a brother out. thank you.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:48 PM   #2
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and if you have any suggestions as to what you guys recommend, it would be appreciated as well... I'm looking to simplify and add to my health without overdoing it.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:58 PM   #3
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I was checking out NSI's line of multis as well, they seem to be pretty decent for a good cost..
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:22 PM   #4
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Everything in your staples is good.

Everything else you asked about is generally useless.

The only things you really need beyond that are whey and/or creatine if you're looking for better performance.
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Old 12-05-2009, 04:47 PM   #5
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can you explain why you think that the asked about products would be useless? Isn't ALA and ALC two very beneficial supplements as far as fat metabolism and anti-oxidants go?

I'm looking for answers beyond google, because I do search and read, I want to hear people's opinions who train like I do.

Keep in mind I don't eat nearly as many veggies as I should so I tend to take the antioxidants to try to "make it somewhat ok"

isn't cayenne great for circulation as well?
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Old 12-06-2009, 03:51 AM   #6
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Cayenne is a food. Put it on vegetables.
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Old 12-06-2009, 07:31 AM   #7
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Keep in mind I don't eat nearly as many veggies as I should so I tend to take the antioxidants to try to "make it somewhat ok"
Maybe this is more important than the pills.
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You can if you want. Well, the studies have been kind of like Vitamin D where there's some benefit whereas if you piece together the information with D you can find out it's very critical. The rest aren't, so it's up to you if you wanna shell out the bucks for a potentially small if any benefit.
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:25 PM   #9
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  • Fish Oil (12 g per day, Costco brand... helps with inflammation and lipid profile)
Robb Wolf pointed out on Episode 2 of his podcast that Kirkland recently changed the labeling on their fish oil. It used to list the amount of DHA/EPA per serving... now here's what it says:

"Total Omega-3 (with EPA + DHA) 300mg"

The Costco website says even more:
"Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA/DHA and other omega-3) 300mg"

Plus, as Robb pointed out, now it contains soy - which I'm guessing is from soybean oil... which in my understanding contains omega-3 fatty acids (though not dha/epa). So, I have a feeling their "natural fish oil concentrate" is simply nothing more than a euphemism for some omega-3's from soybean oil and a actual very small amount of EPA/DHA.

I'm personally dropping the Kirkland and switching over probably to Carlson's from Vitacost. I know there's a number of other fish oil brand suggestions out there but the Carlson's seems to be the best choice for quality/price - someone broke it down by price on Robb's comments under Podcast Episode 2. I don't know if anyone else has information on this... but it seems as if the days of super-cheap but good Kirkland fish oil are over.

All that to say from your list IMO it may be a good idea to fork over a bit more $ especially for the DHA/EPA than shell cash out on other things.
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son of a bitch... that isn't good news at all...
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