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Old 03-14-2007, 11:01 AM   #1
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Default 15 OHS with bodyweight---carry over...

Sorry for spamming the forum with my recent success story. But I thought some of you might be interested in the carry over I noticed. Well I have achieved one of my short term goals as already stated in two other threads:

A 15 rep OHS set with bodyweight on the bar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-MnX2ghWhY

It was not really difficult I must say. So is there a transfer of the OHS training to the deadlift, squat etc.?

Today I tried to figure out a sorta max for my deadlift. You can see the workout log entry here:

http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...=6401#post6401

I should have done this tomorrow, as this is a) a new PR and b) only 5.5kg shy of a double bodyweight deadlift. But here comes the catch---I haven't touched a weight heavier than 106kg in the last months and did not do a single deadlift since last Christmas.

I may test back and front squat in a couple of days, we will see.

I was starting to wonder if the 15 OHS with BW is really elite, as some lists of athletic feats imply. Frankly I don't think so. If somebody like me (in other words Joe Average but with some serious handicaps) can achieve this in 3--4 months, this feat cannot be elite, no way. Elite for me would mean that you need years of dedicated training to achieve the goal, not a couple of months and a bit of volume. And just to clarify Dan John never claimed this feat to be elite...
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:31 PM   #2
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That is pretty darn impressive Peter...looks very natural.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:45 PM   #3
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Congratulations!!

I've always been curious about whether the whole 95# OHS thing is elite, myself. I mean, not to downplay the strength/skill/effort involved (and coming from someone who can only OHS half her bodyweight), but it almost seems like a party trick. Good to know there is transfer though!
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Old 03-15-2007, 11:10 AM   #4
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Thanks. It took me 1535 overhead squats/76580 kg (only the work sets) during last December and 982 overhead squats/52412 kg plus ~1000 KB swings/~20000kg during the last three weeks to get there.

I will repeat this cycle end of the year and intend to target for a 15 reps OHS with 1.25BW (100kg) on the bar. I think that's perfectly doable and if that is gonna happen the target will be 120kg x 15 reps by the end of 2008...

But the next three weeks will be the BIG 21....
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Old 03-18-2007, 05:52 AM   #5
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Not sure if it is a party trick, but it is definitely not elite in the sense a double bodyweight OHS squat is or a 900---1000lbs deadlift. I think I agree with Dan John, it has more to do with toughness. I have no doubts that there are many true elite lifters who could do it with minimal training. The reason the don't did it so far is IMO that training for it would probably compromise their primary goals.

I posted this elsewhere but it is illuminating in this context. Some years ago there was a TV show in the german television where an 79year old fitness trainer tried to outsquat the then world champion Caruso. Who squats 50kg more often in 4min? Before they started this old guy mentioned to Caruso that what he would try now "...is poison to you, you always train low reps..." or something comparable.

Well this old guy did REALLY pretty good. He got around 100 reps if memory serves (at age 79!), but he had no chance against Caruso who won easily. Well Caruso looked much more drained afterwards and high rep is usually not what weightlifters do, but he could do it without a problem.
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Old 03-18-2007, 07:38 AM   #6
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Peter, I think you're missing the context of the argument!

15 BW overhead squats is Elite when you can do it without training for it, figure it out. Take the tests without training for the tests and see how you do! Hows your Fran, Grace, Isabel, Muscle-Ups, Linda, Kelly, JT, Annie, Helen, Barbara, Diane, Chelsea, Elizabeth right now?

You're missing the forest for the trees! We're not Professional Overhead Squatters. We're lifers, unknown stress and happenstance is our sport, train for that and you may one day be able to handle it... I'm less than impressed not with your physical feets but with your understanding of the issues at hand!

Yes OHS have transfer, every skill has transfer, so learn every skill you can, don't just stick to a few because thats what you're good at in the hopes that it will make you better at a bunch of others, thats where I disagree with some of the folks around here.
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