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Old 01-10-2008, 12:32 AM   #11
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So coming back from holidays I noticed that whilst my activity levels dropped(significantly) along with my food my energy levels went up whilst my weight kinda hovered....... I attribute the energy due to the extra sleep from the few days granted off from work.....

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Is there a point where eating some much food puts you past the point of diminishing returns?? Surely the energy expended to consume and digest such a large quantity of food takes it's toll..... Should you feel tired after eating? or tired in general? I thought we do these things to feel great with an abundance of energy!!!

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Do "bigger / more muscle mass" people consume the same quantity as me or do their (un) / fortunate genetics breakdown whatever fuel they put in there mouth and distribute with knife sharp precision? (I've never looked at an item of food knowing if I eat "that" it will benefit / deter me IE: Mississppi Mud Cake going straight to my ass!)

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From a zone perspective it specifies that the maximum amount of protein to be consumed is 5 blocks - so what happens when you eat half a chicken and back it up with approx 3 block's carbs?? and a shot of olive oil??? for lunch.... if it's mass gain it aint happenin!

Whilst it's not great my training log is honest and I have honestly had a few more cheat's in the last few weeks than the over these last few months but it gives an accurate portrayal of the intake and output... So check out Controlling the Chaos thread in the Training logs section......
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Old 01-10-2008, 08:07 AM   #12
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Don't worry about what people with more muscle do....as it is easier to MAINTAIN muscle mass once you get there vs trying to ADD on muscle.

If you feel you are not getting enough protein, try adding in a Whey Shake with every meal (I only use powders for gaining, not maintaining). Add coconut oil or someother healthy fat to get the calories up there.

Lastly, get rid of all the crap in your diet. Building muscle is as much about nutrient utilization than it is calories. Eat crap, you will feel like crap and look like crap. Eat healthy and your body will respond in kind. The healthier you are and eat, the less you will need to actually maintain and grow. Hence why you see people putting on mass with the zone when they stick to all Paleo foods.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:02 AM   #13
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Cheers Mike for the fast response,
In that same vein of thinking what is happening when im eating half a chicken everyday? and for that matter a 220gram steak everynight which by the ZONE breakdown the zone blocks FOR THE STEAK is equivilent to 10 blocks protein (twice that advocated) what are these excess blocks / protein amounts doing for me? And what would happen if I ate half of what im eating now?

It seems the nutrient breakdown in the zone doesnt go past these "5" blocks and also stating the maximum protein consumed should be the size of your palm..... I know this is becoming an excursion into the zone and most probably away from the Mass Gain theme but i just thought heaps of food with appropriate output should see some visable gains..... Not half the food, same output = more results.....
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I don't count calories or do zone...as it is too neurotic and totally messes with my zen life....but eat enough protein and you will do fine. After a while you just "know" what works and what doesn't...plus having low and high days of protein/carbs will always improve utilization. Still...get quality over crap for protein choices. A good steak will do more to building muscle than a whole day of eating lower quality foods.
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