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Old 05-14-2008, 06:24 AM   #21
Darryl Shaw
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Originally Posted by Michael Drew View Post
Total newb question. My wife said she wants to join a school. So I am trying to research different styles in our area. One right down the street from us offers aikido, jujutsu, boxing, bjj, capoeira, kali/silat, karate, kickboxing, kung fu, judo, mma, muay thai. Basically our goals will be self dicipline, a good workout and being able to efficiently defend ourselves.
If I had to pick from the styles on offer I'd go for muay thai but if I were looking for a style for real world self defense I'd combine the philosophy of Jeet Kun Do with Krav Maga. If you're serious about self defense though it's worth reading some of the classic works on the subject such as Kill Or Get Killed by Rex Applegate and Get Tough by W.E. Fairbairn



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Old 05-14-2008, 05:28 PM   #22
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Hopefully this won't kill the debate going on, but having trained in Muay Thai, Krav Maga (fortunate enough to do gun defense seminar with Sam Sade), some boxing, BJJ/MMA stuff I would say that for a smallish woman, Krav Maga is the key.

For anyone that's looking for a practical application of force in a real life situation it's the way to go. A good instructor will use SPEAR techniques for defense, as well as teach proper punching and work on conditioning.

In the streets the only things that matter are: winning/staying alive, and doing it quickly. Would you rather root around for a key/pen/blade? Or would you rather knee strike to the groin, punch to the neck, stomp the foot, eye gouge, defend takedowns etc?

The fact of the matter is that in a real life situation, we don't have time to pull weapons when held up or attacked. But often our attackers will be armed. With proper defense training, you can give yourself a much better chance of disarming and incapacitating an armed attacker.

Add in the intense conditioning that a good instructor will instill in his/her students and you have one well prepared citizen.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:08 AM   #23
Michael Miller
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I have only briefly experienced Krav Maga for myself, but most the people i know who have more experience with it do not feel good about the way the civilain system is taught here in the United States. They also feel unconfortable in how it addresses firearms, and edged weapon awareness. Most feel certain defenses they perform would get you killed under real life conditions with a aggressive resisting attacker.

Also, a person that is aware, and has spent enough time with skilled opponents under live conditions is not going to be "rooting" around or digging for their weapon when they are confronted. If you do not know your weapons, cannot access and deploy them efficiently under stress, then you don't need to be carrying any, period.

In my experience there is no way your ever going to disarm a skilled aggressive attacker with a blade before getting wounded yourself...it just won't happen. This is some of the fluff Yael and i were talking about...teaching people things that will get them killed, teaching them about going for "disarms" and "defenses" puts them in a entirely different mindset than what they need to be when dealing with the type of violent encounters we are talking about. Im not saying it cant ever be done, im saying lets talk about high percentages for the average person.

I wanna see somebody go for a disarm on one of the Piper guys without getting bled out.

Something to think about from a fellow martial artist...

"When people say they are a master of "empty hand" versus knife I think they mean "empty hand[gun into felon's torso]". Whenever someone tells me they have no fear of a knife, I challenge them to do the "marker drill" with me. I take a water-based red marker, jam it into the end of an eight-inch piece of PVC, and tape the two together. I tell the "knife expert" to try and disarm me while I proceed to make him look like a Jackson Pollock painting. This usually tends to breed humility in most martial artists (I know it gave me a healthy dose the first time I did the drill)."
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