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Old 05-23-2008, 10:59 AM   #11
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Speaking of excessive volume 5x5 programs....

http://www.t-nation.com/article/most...ks_5x5_program

Maybe if you're on roids you can recover from that. Or using pansy weights.
If you did this using a true 5x5 template...I'm not sure a person would last a week.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:27 AM   #12
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Speaking of excessive volume 5x5 programs....

http://www.t-nation.com/article/most...ks_5x5_program

Maybe if you're on roids you can recover from that. Or using pansy weights.
Or eating 5000+ calories/day and sleeping 12 hours/day. Doubt that would even do the trick though.

My jaw dropped when I saw that one this morning.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:34 AM   #13
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Or eating 5000+ calories/day and sleeping 12 hours/day. Doubt that would even do the trick though.

My jaw dropped when I saw that one this morning.


the first two "stage"s aren't that bad. there's a lot of other stuff in there that I doubt he did. For a beginning lifter, the skeleton of it is doable. Once your deadlift work sets are approaching double bodyweight you're probably foxtrot uniform charlie tango.

also, i didn't see any percentages. If a person is working in the lower end, say 70-75% might actually be doable.

I'd rather see someone take an honest stab at thsi than some candyass swiss ball thing out of men's health.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:43 PM   #14
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the first two "stage"s aren't that bad. there's a lot of other stuff in there that I doubt he did. For a beginning lifter, the skeleton of it is doable. Once your deadlift work sets are approaching double bodyweight you're probably foxtrot uniform charlie tango.

also, i didn't see any percentages. If a person is working in the lower end, say 70-75% might actually be doable.

I'd rather see someone take an honest stab at thsi than some candyass swiss ball thing out of men's health.
Well said as usual Dave. I'd much rather see someone do something like this than sit around doing bosu ball squats. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. May even fit in well with some sort of a work yourself into the ground til you feel horrible, then back off period of training for good gains.

I saw a quote one time that said something to the effect of "The old stuff always worked and always will."
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:40 PM   #15
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Sigh.
Hint: Ask for programming help.

5x5 DLs is good for...I don't know...hurting yourself to collect worker's comp? Speeding up that back injury you were always hoping for? Speeding yourself towards a forced layoff?

On the bright side, if you're adding 5-10 kilograms a workout, your squat will stall quickly, too.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:14 PM   #16
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Hint: Ask for programming help.

5x5 DLs is good for...I don't know...hurting yourself to collect worker's comp? Speeding up that back injury you were always hoping for? Speeding yourself towards a forced layoff?

On the bright side, if you're adding 5-10 kilograms a workout, your squat will stall quickly, too.
you blokes crack me up
seriously though, what would you recommend? I am not some 18 year old muppet who knows nothing, part of the reason for the rapid gains from BS is probably that I did a lot of weightlifting and powerlifting 15 years ago so I have a good foundation of strength work which I guess has stood me well.
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The suggestions were:

1. Get rid of at least the midweek CF.

2. Reduce DL volume on ME days. Try 1x5 instead of 5x5.

3. Work deadlift assit one day a week instead of DL.

Rows, RDL, Rack Pulls, Halting Deads, Snatch Grip Deads, Deads off a box, Straight leg DL.
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Thanks mate.
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