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Old 07-03-2008, 11:12 AM   #41
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Somewhere in the backwoods of Canada is someone who never read a fitness magazine....eats lots of red meat/bacon/eggs....goes to sleep every night...and lifts heavy stuff....drinks beer....and he is big, strong and healthy. Or on a caribean island a guy works daily with his hands, eats lots of jerk meat and celebrates with rum on a nightly basis...and has a ripped muscular body that people in Hollywood pay $400/hr to some celebrity trainer to get them looking like. Ask either men what their secret is and they will look at you and say..."Ummmm...no idea".

Here in America we spend millions on research and development for artificial supplements, everyone trying to find the perfect diet, analyzing everything down to a single nutrient in isolation as the answer, have the ultimate workout progressions and have to schedule randomization training (which seems ironic), have 24 hour media networks and 1000s of magazines and books to give us all the information we will ever need....and most everyone is weak, sick and fat.

Funny how simple is always better....and ignorance can be bliss.
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I always complicate things. The truth is I know better I just cant stop it sometimes. Also it can be fun to just theorise and explore but it rarely actualizes as much as simple action. Thanks for the reality check guys.
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:48 AM   #42
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OK, I've read every BCAA thread I can find on here and I still have not found a yes or no answer ( maybe there isn't one is what I'm thinking). Do BCAA's effect the nature of the fasted state if taken before a workout? If I am IF'ing and plan to train in a fasted state , but take BCAA's pre workout, does it effect the benefits of fasted training (GH response, fat loss.....)? I found one thread on another forum about BCAA"s causing an insulin response, but no one could back up those statements with any studies. Can anyone clear this up for me? I am new to IF and want to make sure I stay strict for a while before I start experimenting. THanks
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:53 AM   #43
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Do BCAA's effect the nature of the fasted state if taken before a workout? If I am IF'ing and plan to train in a fasted state , but take BCAA's pre workout, does it effect the benefits of fasted training (GH response, fat loss.....)?
No it shouldn't as you won't get an insulin or digestive response from it. Unless it's a BCAA with some sort of sugar/sweetener added. Pure BCAAs are what you want (powdered form best....since capsules have other things in them as well). Also you don't need much, small doses like 5-10g would do it.

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Thank you very much Mike.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:50 AM   #45
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Joe,
If you notice increased hunger while "fasting" after adding BCAAs to your regimen, then your insulin response has been triggered and you'll want to take that into consideration.
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Joe,
If you notice increased hunger while "fasting" after adding BCAAs to your regimen, then your insulin response has been triggered and you'll want to take that into consideration.

Thanks Garrett, I pretty much will just be adding them in immediately before training , and then eating my first meal about 30 minutes after training, so I may not have a chance to notice the hunger. I have only been IF'ing for two weeks and while I feel more alert and less tired during the fast my workouts have been dragging. Is there an adjustment period to the fast? Do you think the BCAA's will help at all? I am also no stranger to good black coffee, so I know thats not the problem.
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