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Old 10-28-2008, 12:37 PM   #81
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I was reading through this thread again to maybe see what happened. I realized that at the beginning of the diet I had been IF'ing and eating around 16-18 Zone Blocks ( which is really not a lot of calories, right around 2000-2500). I had been eating the same amount of calories for a long time and when I started the AD I bumped my calories up to 3000 a day for the first two weeks. I think the addition of 500-1000 calories gave my metabolism a nice boost along with the improved nutrient utilization, from IF'ing for a while, explains the immediate fat loss and muscle gain. Once the initial adaptation was over I began to add bodyfat and basically backslide.

I am also experiencing a slight BF gain at the moment from adding carbs back into my diet. I tried to cycle them back in slowly and really have just added fruit. I guess I have to deal with it while my body readjusts to the carbs. I don't think it should be that drastic since my carbs only consist of vegetables, fruits and berries.
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:58 PM   #82
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Joe, I think some people on the T-Nation AD thread (can't exactly remember.... read the thread a year ago!) use Berardi's Getting Unshredded plan to reintroduce carbs. See http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1226387 (T-Nation so not WFS).
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:51 PM   #83
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Yeah , I checked that out. I have definitely started putting weight on, but I find it hard to believe that a few pieces of fruit a day is the culprit. For the first time in a while I can't figure out what the hell my body is doing.
I have pretty much been eating ground turkey, chicken breasts, eggs, raw spinach, raw broccoli,blueberries, grapefruit, red grapes, apples, almonds, and olive oil. Still IF'ing with a 19 hour fast most days. I can't see fruit making me hold that much water, but I have definitely smoothed out. I don't like what is happening , and it was definitely not worth trying the AD in my opinion. Gaining weight/bodyfat while eating low calories of lean proteins, fruits, veggies, and healthy fats is kind of mind boggling to me. I didn't think that was physically possible.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:33 AM   #84
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Joe I always have more success introducing carbs in a cycle like manner. I am sure you alweady put most your carbs PWO but also I would have some days I ate extra low carb again in order to give my body a break while it is adjusting. Also sometimes uping my protein ratio will push out a little excess water. Just some thoughts. Oh yeah and the BF during the adjustment is common for me as well but its always temperary something my body will just adjust on its own.

Oh yeah and Rachel I can never find a good enough reason not to start the day with at least a half an apple (if I am really trying to go super low carb) usualy at least a whole apple or pear. Gotta get that liver glycogen goin after a fast in order to prepare for a high fat diet even if the fast is only 8 hours of sleep.
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:17 PM   #85
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Joe I always have more success introducing carbs in a cycle like manner. I am sure you alweady put most your carbs PWO but also I would have some days I ate extra low carb again in order to give my body a break while it is adjusting. Also sometimes uping my protein ratio will push out a little excess water. Just some thoughts. Oh yeah and the BF during the adjustment is common for me as well but its always temperary something my body will just adjust on its own.

Oh yeah and Rachel I can never find a good enough reason not to start the day with at least a half an apple (if I am really trying to go super low carb) usualy at least a whole apple or pear. Gotta get that liver glycogen goin after a fast in order to prepare for a high fat diet even if the fast is only 8 hours of sleep.
GOOD because this morning I had some salmon with olive oil, a whole apple, and a WHOLE lot of almond butter! yummmm
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:33 PM   #86
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I say take the AD, IF, (EAS)ABCDE diet from long ago, mix in some Body Opus and you will get something that works. The trick is mastering that formula and then making is random enough and non-routine to maximize gains.

People sell programs less advanced than that for $100+ on the net.....why we giving it all away?
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I think I will actually trade in the AD, ABCD, the WXYZ, the 123 and the OCD for what I think may be the perfect recipe for success:

Don't eat for a while ( 16-21 hours) then stuff yourself with a ton of raw green veggies,high fiber fruits and berries, meats, eggs, nuts and healthy oils for about 5-6 hours ( you will still probably not be eating enough calories)

Mix that with a few high intensity weight training sessions a week and then blend appropriately with a dash of beer and proper amounts of relaxation and enjoyment on the weekends.
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I think I will actually trade in the AD, ABCD, the WXYZ, the 123 and the OCD for what I think may be the perfect recipe for success:

Don't eat for a while ( 16-21 hours) then stuff yourself with a ton of raw green veggies,high fiber fruits and berries, meats, eggs, nuts and healthy oils for about 5-6 hours ( you will still probably not be eating enough calories)

Mix that with a few high intensity weight training sessions a week and then blend appropriately with a dash of beer and proper amounts of relaxation and enjoyment on the weekends.
Sounds lovely
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I think I will actually trade in the AD, ABCD, the WXYZ, the 123 and the OCD for what I think may be the perfect recipe for success:

Don't eat for a while ( 16-21 hours) then stuff yourself with a ton of raw green veggies,high fiber fruits and berries, meats, eggs, nuts and healthy oils for about 5-6 hours ( you will still probably not be eating enough calories)

Mix that with a few high intensity weight training sessions a week and then blend appropriately with a dash of beer and proper amounts of relaxation and enjoyment on the weekends.
so you read my diary? ...although I wouldn't use the word dash and beer together.

that and eat 80% paleoish.....20% whatever you can lay your hands on.....never count or measure anything....and go out and enjoy life before it goes right by.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:20 PM   #90
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That sounds like the way to go, Joe.

You got 'described' in the Outside article on Gym Jones, btw...made me smile.

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