The latest videos from XF - Page 3

Chris Forbis · 02-11-2007, 11:09 AM

My experience follows what Nick said.

Dave Van Skike · 02-11-2007, 11:57 AM

Bar too far out, early hip rising, ass not far enough back, weird shoulder rolling at lockout, plus head craning and shoulder peering over.

Not represented as max efforts but add load to most of those examples and you've got some real problems. That said, it's pretty hard to demo a light DL because unless you've got enough on the bar to counter BW, it just looks weird.

Jonas Lind · 02-11-2007, 12:18 PM

I'll just add that I really like the videos. I think they serve not only as instructional, but inspirational as well. I hope they keep at it every day.
Deadlifts seems to be one of the harder excercises to demonstrate on video though.

Steve Shafley · 02-11-2007, 01:37 PM

OK, I think I've figured out my biggest concern.

I pull a damn deadlift in the gym. A max deadlift.

Some joker who's watched the XF deadlift vid will be compelled to tell me that my form was wrong, and I'm going to hurt myself or something like this.

I don't know why this happens, but it's almost a urban myth. Once I did a zercher squat from the pins with ~450, and this kid comes up to me and says "I think you're supposed to use your hands when you do that."

Nick Cummings · 02-11-2007, 03:05 PM

I view the deadlifts in the CF video as "Rippetoe's form" if you will. I say this because they closely resemble what he describes in his book starting strength. In the past I have found that I tend to do better with a more stiff legged approach once I get to higher weights. I have found that since doing them how he suggests that I feel I have more pull off the floor, I have not maxed recently. For sake of discussion, how do your deadlifts differ Steve?

Mike ODonnell · 02-11-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Cummings

Are you guys kidding? Tall guys are built to deadlift. We (relatively) suffer a bit in the squat. Pulls are where it is at for tall guys.

How does pulling a weight a farther distance than a smaller person make it easier? Plus a longer legs-trunk length ratio will require a different style of lift than someone who is smaller.

I do agree though that I would like to see a heavy DL form (compared to 115lbs on a bar) as that is real life application for me....not doing sets of 21....I stay in the rep ranges of 3-5, so that is where I live.

Ron Nelson · 02-11-2007, 04:11 PM

Tell it MOD.

I squatted today, and had a much better time than when I DL. Again, my form tends to be with less bend in the leg than the shorter lifter.

Nick Cummings · 02-11-2007, 04:23 PM

Mike, biomechanically I have no idea why. Possibley due to better leverage. I am 6'3" and find the deadlift to be my strongest lift. I also train with five people over 6' two of which find the deadlift to be one of their stronger lifts. That answer might not impress you but my good friend Dave Tate says, "Many times the taller, thinner lifters are the best pullers." http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459744

Dave Van Skike · 02-11-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Cummings

Mike, biomechanically I have no idea why. Possibley due to better leverage. I am 6'3" and find the deadlift to be my strongest lift. I also train with five people over 6' two of which find the deadlift to be one of their stronger lifts. That answer might not impress you but my good friend Dave Tate says, "Many times the taller, thinner lifters are the best pullers." http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459744

Lever length.

Taller people tend to be proportionally longer limbed with only a small percentage of additional height from trunk length.

Long femurs-short trunk= sick leverage for DL, crap leverage for squat.
even dead average height guy with longish legs and arms are well suited to DL.

Robb Wolf · 02-11-2007, 06:37 PM

Stealing the thread a bit...and showing my obvious bias towards Ol'rs. Case in point:Mikhail Koklyaev 6'4"...I think that is taller than everyone moaning about their lever disadvantages. In this video we see him pull almost 900lbs on the DL. Absolutely no back round. He does use some straps...not too worried about that. +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jovqRDaDs

I'm kinda late to the thread but I think that flat back, unrounded form is both possible and highly desirable. Also agree that rounded back lifting has its developmental purpose.

Not a fan of the trap bar DL. Turns a posterior chain movement into more quad work IMO.