Originally Posted by Steven Low
Like it's been stated before.. do what you enjoy.
i enjoy improvement most
Originally Posted by Steven Low
I still disagree with your assessment though. You're saying that for those time limited, they maybe should focus on other things. If they want to be competitive with CF, then if they're time limited MOST of their time should go into Oly.
Most of the people who have had staying power (top 10 in CF games) like OPT/Jolie/etc. either workout with Greg Everett gym or have made trips there to train for months at a time to work on their Oly technique.
If your Oly is a weakness, then you better put that in your warmup and do TONS of skill work on it EVERYDAY. There is no question what you should be working on. You should be working on the highest skill moves which translate to everything else in CF -- aka Oly lifts.
i did not want to say that everyone should ignore the oly lifts but to train more for power than for big numbers on the competition lifts after a basic proficiency is achived gives probably more bang for the buck. take f.e. mikko salo or jason khalipa: both do not have very high competition numbers.
and i agree with you that training the lifts with a good coach does improve your athletic abilities but those lifts need all time quality coaching. my numbers went up fast when training at the weightlifting club. i now snatch about 80kg but my improvement went very very slow after training on my own.
my past weightlifting coach trains one guy who recently won the bronze medall at the european championchips at the c&j event. and he made him do so in just less than 3 years of training. that guy started at 13 years of age and is now 16 and has a 163kg c&j at 92 kg bodyweight. before weightlifting he did not do any competetive sport. and you have to take account of the fact that this guy at the age of 16 still has not a fixed technique and has to change it all time because his growth process has not ended yet - and for sure that guy has talent.
but if you do not have a coach available who is watching most of your lifts then a lot lifts are just wasted time. besides that the power variants do always train power but not skill. i.e. you train and do not practise. and to practise with sub maximal weightes does not improve your technique above a certain level (at least due to the above mentioned coach). so i think that training the power variants and assistance lifts more/heavier would not affect the development of your competition lifts as those do improve very very slow if working on your own/without a good coach. then power will improve but not competition numbers but that power should translate to other things but that power will not improve the competition numbers faster than with a good oly training. there is a PM article taking account of that fact when dealing with PL converting to OLY esp. shane hammon i think.
do you think that in regards of this (the problem to improve in absence of lots of time and a very good coach) it is still better to train oly lifts on your own (as those are considered highest skill movements) after a basic understanding of them? i think that after being able to peform with resonable weight everything else is skill finetuning, i.e. specialization.
and how to measure that the competition lifts do acutally improve general athletic ability more than their power variants? a lot of the people who performed good at the CF games can do resonable competition lifts but i think nobody besids josh everett has competetive numbers in the weightlifting community - and khalipa did beat everett at CF 2008 games at the c&j.