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Old 09-23-2010, 06:14 PM   #1
Jeremy Shepard
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I've been wrestling back and forth with a topic (partly being experimented with, at the moment) and would like to see what others think.

Assume you're training a weightlifter with something like the Joe Mills 20/20 program, and the chief concern is increasing the snatch and the clean & jerk. Do you squat after the workout or on different days?

On the different day side, I like that you get to cut the workout a bit shorter and can be fresher for the squats. On the other hand, I don't want to the lifter to be able to squat so heavy on the other days that it impacts his improvements in the classic lifts the next day.

To further that thought, I've been pondering about the volume of warm-up sets. I've always used low reps to warm up. However, by using higher reps to warm up, you're again limiting the amount of weight that can be squatted at the top set.

Ex:
60x10
90x10
110x10
125x10

vs.

60x5
90x3
110x3
130x2
145x10

Does anyone have much experience as to differences in recovery with an overall increase in tonnage versus a higher top weight?

Ultimately, I'm just going to have to try it out and see, but I don't want to make a kid suffer through a 3 hour workout if it's a horrible idea.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:14 AM   #2
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I've been wrestling back and forth with a topic (partly being experimented with, at the moment) and would like to see what others think.

Assume you're training a weightlifter with something like the Joe Mills 20/20 program, and the chief concern is increasing the snatch and the clean & jerk. Do you squat after the workout or on different days?

On the different day side, I like that you get to cut the workout a bit shorter and can be fresher for the squats. On the other hand, I don't want to the lifter to be able to squat so heavy on the other days that it impacts his improvements in the classic lifts the next day.

To further that thought, I've been pondering about the volume of warm-up sets. I've always used low reps to warm up. However, by using higher reps to warm up, you're again limiting the amount of weight that can be squatted at the top set.

Ex:
60x10
90x10
110x10
125x10

vs.

60x5
90x3
110x3
130x2
145x10

Does anyone have much experience as to differences in recovery with an overall increase in tonnage versus a higher top weight?

Ultimately, I'm just going to have to try it out and see, but I don't want to make a kid suffer through a 3 hour workout if it's a horrible idea.
Two best ways to use this program are IMO, doing it 3 days a week with limited squatting or assistance done after the lifts... or, doing the 20/20 Mon and Thur, then squatting and maybe pressing on Tue and Saturday.

As far as the warmups, go with the low reps.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:03 PM   #3
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Thanks for your input, Glenn.
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Old 10-20-2010, 08:17 AM   #4
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could be 20/20 program used as technical work??

I'm assuming that it would use a lower %, for example 50%

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