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Old 01-21-2011, 12:57 PM   #501
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Poker forum hate anyone?

Has anyone tried Crossfit?

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A friend was telling me about it. I youtubed it and it looks pretty intense.. Anyone have any experience with it? Basically I saw p90x on steroids.
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"Crossfit" is the name of the poorly run, money driven organization that is achieving cult-like status amongst morons and fitness bros across the country.

Some of the principles behind their training philosophy are excellent. Most of them are retarded. The results that "doing crossfit" produces can be achieved in a much safer and faster way if you do a little bit of research and intelligently write your workouts yourself.
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the 'crossfit' certification process is pretty loltastic. So a lot of crappily run gyms open up advertising 'crossfit' and overcharging for an inferior product.
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you would be a moron if you paid ridiculous fees to be a member at a certified crossfit gym where they forced you to do the same cookie cutter workout as all other members all while receiving terrible and false instruction on correct exercise form and diet.
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:47 PM   #502
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This is so shitty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z0QJYozar0

and it's the best of their best
Andrew,

Why is this so shitty? The intention is not a IWF standard snatch with zero press out. It is 30 Snatches for time. Power, full, muscle snatch or press out....doesn't matter. Just ground to overhead without stopping at the shoulder. Completing this in just over a 60 seconds, they look pretty good. Open hips and full lock out overhead.

Give it a rest.
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:47 PM   #503
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Andrew, quick question:

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The VO2max is only optimually developed in 100%-80% VO2max, that's maximal runs in 2mi-13mi. Anaerobic effort exceeds the 100% of the VO2max; that's the purpose of having the anaerobic energy pathways in the first place. Just doing anaerobic training you will not develop the optimal physiological effects that are specifically developed during aerobic training mentioned above. Interval training increases VO2max because these elite athletes that use interval training, do so at a pace, not maximal run, or continue effort at a lower intensity during the rest period; not just stopping as people think. This is seen in Seb Coe's 7x800m (3.5mi), he runs the 800m at 5km pace, which is one way he built his VO2max to run a 3:47 mile, and Roger Bannister's 10x400m (2.5mi+) with two minutes of jogging as rest and 5x800m with 6 minute job as rest.
Just to clarify:

1. VO2 max is developed in mileage between 2-13 miles at 80-100% of your VO2 max
2. Anaerobic pathways are designed to surpass your VO2 max for short periods
3. Interval training, when done NOT at maximal VO2 max or without completely stopping during the resting phase, increased your overall VO2 max.

Am I understanding that correctly? So in order to actually develop aerobic capacity intervals must be performed at a sub maximal pace. So then is the typical CF metcon only developing your anaerobic pathways without significantly improving aerobic capacity?
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Old 01-21-2011, 02:22 PM   #504
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[quote=raj rihal;85841]Andrew, quick question:

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The VO2max is only optimually developed in 100%-80% VO2max, that's maximal runs in 2mi-13mi. Anaerobic effort exceeds the 100% of the VO2max; that's the purpose of having the anaerobic energy pathways in the first place. Just doing anaerobic training you will not develop the optimal physiological effects that are specifically developed during aerobic training mentioned above. Interval training increases VO2max because these elite athletes that use interval training, do so at a pace, not maximal run, or continue effort at a lower intensity during the rest period; not just stopping as people think. This is seen in Seb Coe's 7x800m (3.5mi), he runs the 800m at 5km pace, which is one way he built his VO2max to run a 3:47 mile, and Roger Bannister's 10x400m (2.5mi+) with two minutes of jogging as rest and 5x800m with 6 minute job as rest.
Just to clarify:

1. VO2 max is developed in mileage between 2-13 miles at 80-100% of your VO2 max
2. Anaerobic pathways are designed to surpass your VO2 max for short periods
3. Interval training, when done NOT at maximal VO2 max or without completely stopping during the resting phase, increased your overall VO2 max.

Am I understanding that correctly? So in order to actually develop aerobic capacity intervals must be performed at a sub maximal pace. So then is the typical CF metcon only developing your anaerobic pathways without significantly improving aerobic capacity?
A maximal run effort at 2mi = 100% VO2max,
max run effort at 3mi = 95% VO2max,
max run effort at 6mi = 90% VO2max,
max run effort at 13mi = 80% VO2max.
This zone between 80%-100% VO2max (maximal oxygen you can consume), is the target zone to increase your VO2max. Which is why runners run high milleage, a 13mi & 6mi run is least intensive than a 2mi and 3mi.
Anaerobic pathways (energy production w/o oxygen) exceed 100% VO2max, meaning the physical effort exceeds your body's aerobic ability to solely produce all the energy needed for that effort. So an anaerobic pathway kicks in with the aerobic pathway, and contributes ATP.
To increase VO2max the four efforts above are needed or used.
Such as running max 2mi (100% VO2max) everyday the week will increase VO2max, so will running 6mi (90% VO2max) everyday the week will increase.
Running above this (100%+), is obviously using anaerobic pathway.

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So then is the typical CF metcon only developing your anaerobic pathways without significantly improving aerobic capacity?
Yes http://www.cathletics.com/forum/show...&postcount=339 CF workout also mishmash muscle groups and cells

Intervals are run at a pace, say you run 7x800m with 6 minutes of jogging as rest. You run the 800m the same pace you'd run a 800m in a 5,000m. So if you run a 15:00 = 5,000m, the 800m would be run in 2:30. Instead of running it at 2:00 full blast. A full blast 800m is about 120% VO2max, 5k 800m is 95% VO2max. I believe a 400m is 125% VO2max.


I just looked also at the Tabata abstract, they're sending me a copy. But what immediately caught my attention is the endurance group is training at 70% VO2max, the 2:1 group has a long distance session, and they're on a ergometer. I've tested and performed VO2max tested on an ergometer many times and if anyone is familiar with them, is that you DO NOT rest on them, the resistance is merely taken down. So it's likely these cyclists went full blast 20 seconds, resistance taken off for 10 seconds as they kept cycling, then again. I'll have to reread it
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so then any demonstrated aerobic improvement is actually from crossing over from anaerobic/ to aerobic in some of the longer metcons.
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Andrew,

Why is this so shitty? The intention is not a IWF standard snatch with zero press out. It is 30 Snatches for time. Power, full, muscle snatch or press out....doesn't matter. Just ground to overhead without stopping at the shoulder. Completing this in just over a 60 seconds, they look pretty good. Open hips and full lock out overhead.

Give it a rest.
Are you serious?




looks like someone's lurking:
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ling110122.mov
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:22 PM   #508
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Are you serious? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha




looks like someone's lurking:
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ling110122.mov
Yes, explain.
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Yes, explain.
Oh no.


This is the de-evolution of olympic weightlifting.
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:21 PM   #510
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Oh no.


This is the de-evolution of olympic weightlifting.
Again, give me a break. Why does the snatch or clean & jerk be such sacred lift that performing more than singles or doubles comprise such a mortal sin? The same two guys did very well in the meet that weekend performing competition versions of the lifts.
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