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Old 06-28-2012, 03:16 AM   #11
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In an attempt to make you all regret ever helping, I'll bore you with a status. The extra stretching, rolling, and bar path/technique cues seemed to help with the pain. I still could not pop up weights (155/165) like I feel/know I should have. Its gotta be in my head (although I know the pain part was real). My thought is to be patient and stay the course with all that has been offered but also looking for drills to assist in confidence and bar path and possibly some cues to help with shoulder blade retraction (got Greg's drills for that in earlier post). The "turtle back," as someone called it, is a result of me pushing shoulders forward to rack the bar-retract the shoulder blades and rack goes away. Unfortunately could not video last night but I will have video of next jerk session and will seek your help once again. Thanks all!
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:12 AM   #12
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Hey Richard,

Chances are you developed the tightness/motor patterns that cause this issue over years. I wouldn't expect it to be completely fixed after a couple of workouts. That said, take comfort in knowing that this will get dramatically better if you are good about practice and foam rolling etc over the next 2-4 weeks.

Best of luck and keep the videos coming!
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #13
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The extra stretching, rolling, and bar path/technique cues seemed to help with the pain.
Good, stick with it.


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but also looking for drills to assist in confidence and bar path and possibly some cues to help with shoulder blade retraction (got Greg's drills for that in earlier post).
Jerks and push presses from behind the neck, push presses bnk in the split position.

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The "turtle back," as someone called it, is a result of me pushing shoulders forward to rack the bar-retract the shoulder blades and rack goes away.
You do need to have your shoulder blades protracted and slightly elevated in the rack position - but you need to do it without hunching the thoracic spine. Then you need to retract as you're driving under into the overhead position.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:46 PM   #14
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Shoulder pain aside (still there but not so bad) these are ugly. I can't seem to jerk at all. I am so frustrated I looked up my old lifts in my log. It was during a year of CrossFit on Feb. 2, 2012, I C&J 70kgx2, 75x2, 80x2, 90kgx1. I recall the 80 and 90 being a versions of a power jerk that turned to a press the last couple inches. A few weeks later in a CF competition I C&J 84kg and failed twice on 88kg.

Now this:
60kg
http://youtu.be/6LV1OBmamGc

70kg failed jerk-a weight I pushed pressed for 3 sets of 5 on Monday
http://youtu.be/mhp96lF-G-M

80kg fail not sure why i even tried
http://youtu.be/Ev_Ws2CHOvk

90Kg Clean only
http://youtu.be/9PahDP3hx_8

Any and all technique advice appreciated plus some psychology because although I realize that 2 1/2 months of Olympic lift concentration and less CF (much less) doesn't guarantee PRs. And I realize those past lifts aren't real benchmarks because of the poor form, but it just doesn't add up that 70kg-80kg feels like going to crush me and collapse my shoulders.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:20 PM   #15
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Hey even though you aren't hitting the weights you would like to on this given day, you are making huge improvements. Look back at your 6/12/12 video and compare to these most recent ones. Your turnover is WAY better, you are able to get those elbows up and around better than before. Your rack position and jerk rack position are improved also. In this latest video you are able to support that weight on the shoulder.

For the jerk in 70kg and 80kg, you are having some trouble in the dip and drive that is leaving that bar out forward and you aren't able to get a full drive into the bar. Part of the problem is that you are dipping a little to far and by going to far down you are beginning to squat instead of dip and drive. That squatting position is tilting you forward and also causing some problems finishing the drive.

To remedy this I would suggest some jerk dip squats where you focus on keeping that dip and drive straight and with slightly less depth. Another exercise that will help would be a pause jerk, where you hold the bottom of the dip and really focus on driving straight over the neck. Before you initiate your jerk I would suggest pulling the face back to get it out of the way and to remind you to drive the bar straight up. (This video has some pause jerks in it: http://www.catalystathletics.com/med...hp?videoID=274)

For the pause jerks make sure you keep those shoulders up (to keep the bar from pinching your artery) and stay conscious as they will sit on you and make you feel like you are about to pass out so take caution!

Overall I can see you are making improvements so I would say to stick with the stretching and mobility work and keep working at it. Part of adjusting your mobility will be gaining strength in the new positions as they improve, it will always be a process but the pay out is rewarding.

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Old 06-30-2012, 08:06 AM   #16
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Thanks a ton Steve, I must admit the cleans felt better, that is why I included the 90kg clean only. I actually went to 95kg on the clean and felt pretty good. The time spent on mobility and stretching is vital I understand, but it does eat up a bunch of time. Meanwhile, the exercises and drills to fix my jerk are starting to add up, so far segment pulls, halting DL, muscle and tall cleans, BTN presses & jerks, pause jerks, jerk dip squats. Any ideas on how they should be worked into a training routine along with one of your training cycles? Not looking for a short cut, I can make the time I just want to be as efficient as possible. Also, as you can see in the video and through my previous posts I am not all that young anymore, so just adding on and adding on takes it toll quickly if not done intelligently (and I am not intelligent). Thanks again Steve for the advice and encouragement.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:17 PM   #17
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I would say to keep up with the stretching every day and spread out the assistance exercises over the week. I know there are a ton of exercises but possibly focusing on a few of them for a while as the shoulders improve and keeping the ones that you feel are helping the most and rotating in other ones for a change up. I would say that the segment pulls and muscle cleans for warm ups (keeping them light) and some of the BTN and split work would be the best to keep up with.
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:20 PM   #18
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Thanks Steve, I have to see a Doc about this shoulder pain. Yesterday morning felt sharp pain deep in shoulder joint again during jerk of 50 kilos. Stopped immediately and did some jerk technique work with bar and conditioning and pain went away. Then last night push pressed 90 kilos for 3 reps no pain and 3rd rep went up easy. (please don't ask why I was jerking in AM and push press in PM, in short a scheduling F-up and promise to my son) Today called for "Max for day," jerk. Instead i got out the Cataylst video and went through jerk progressions with bar only or no bar. In doing behind the neck jerks I went with 30 kilos and felt great, felt fluid on technique. Moved the drill to front for jerks and felt that specific shoulder joint pain. A friend threw out possiblity of a cartilage tear in form of a flap, causing pain in certain ROM and not others. If not that he suspects, just like you guys, it is mobility issue that, just like you all said, will take some time to work out. Anyway, during the time I am trying to get my technique and tightness eliminated as a cause I figure, contrary to what I said earlier, can't hurt to get an MRI. So enough with problem for a while 'cause it ain't getting fixed anytime soon, but I suck at snatch too and so far can't blame it on some mystery pain and will be seeking help.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:53 PM   #19
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MRI on shoulder showed a slight tear of supraspinatus and infraspinatus tendons and muscle tear (don't recall the muscle name). The tendon tears, it seems, are the trouble causers. The Dr. was a GP and said it did not look like something that required surgery but in order to keep weightlifting I should see a specialist. Anyway, in case this specialist turns out to be like Foreman's Dr. Bonequads, is anyone familiar with this and what I can expect or should expect to hear tomorrow when I see this ortho Dr.?
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:29 PM   #20
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I had a partial tear of my supraspinatus recently (6 weeks ago). I let it rest for2 weeks, then started doing LYTP's w/ light weight (from 0 to 2.5kg). I found a few interesting articles on shoulder rehab from eric cressey, and even on the forum here from Stephen Low and Garrett Smith. After 4 weeks, I was pressing w/ just my hand. after 5 weeks I was doing sets w/ an empty bar. Today I pressed 60kg. Always going pain free (per eric cressey, don't do any provacative movements as part of your rehab). and remember (I can't recall who I'm quoting), "don't go to complete fatigue, and pain comes AFTER fatigue."

Also remember, that taking it slow these next 3 months or so will save you a ton of time if it means you can fix it w/o surgery, so its probably not going to be worth pushing yourself like you are in a rocky movie.

Also, read the article on the Performance menu about supplementation for rehab. I found adding vitamins K1, k2, and A to the mix seemed to help.

http://www.catalystathletics.com/for...hlight=rotator

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