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Old 06-13-2007, 06:16 PM   #1
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Default No more Big Boned kids....they are FAT!!

So I guess no more "it's ok your just big boned"....

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CHICAGO - Doctors ought to quit using fuzzy terms to define children’s weight problems and instead refer to truly fat kids as overweight or obese, a committee of medical experts recommended.
Since most parents and physicians are to blame with this whole loving approach that no kid will ever listen too.....the truth hurts....lets kids learn life is hard....and it's not going to be roses all the time.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19194146/
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:21 PM   #2
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I agree. Call a spade a spade.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:30 AM   #3
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“I’ve had mothers ask me not to use the (obese) label,” he said. “Sometimes you can see it in the child’s face. They’re ashamed.”
Am I an ass if I don't see what the problem is if you make them feel ashamed????
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:21 AM   #4
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Am I an ass if I don't see what the problem is if you make them feel ashamed????
honestly? yes.

using shame as a motivator means you've run out of good ideas. if you can't raise a kid with positive reinforcement, stick to owning dogs.
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:59 AM   #5
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honestly? yes.

using shame as a motivator means you've run out of good ideas. if you can't raise a kid with positive reinforcement, stick to owning dogs.
It is in reference to the article. I'm not talking about raising children or any such thing but if you'd like to discuss that we can talk on private messages.

I'm not saying the Dr. should be telling the kid he's a fatass but how is a doctor supposed to use positive reinforcement for an obese child?

"It looks like you have gained another 15 pounds since our last checkup, I'm glad you have started to walk once a week though."
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:12 AM   #6
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replace "you" with "one" in my previous post, as it was not directed at you, allen. it was intended to be a general statement.

as for the doctor, if he can't figure out a way to help kids without shaming them, then he should become a vet. that's the type of victorian era thinking that we should all be done with.

somewhere between shaming kids and "we're all winners, so lets not keep score" is the great middle ground we know as common sense.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:37 AM   #7
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OK, I'm confused. Is Allen an ass or not?

I was big boned as a child. Then I lost about 100 lbs as an adult and found out I wasn't even "large framed."
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:26 AM   #8
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replace "you" with "one" in my previous post, as it was not directed at you, allen. it was intended to be a general statement.

as for the doctor, if he can't figure out a way to help kids without shaming them, then he should become a vet. that's the type of victorian era thinking that we should all be done with.

somewhere between shaming kids and "we're all winners, so lets not keep score" is the great middle ground we know as common sense.
If you're going to contend that using shame to reinforce morality (in this case, self-restraint) is dated, it seems to me that you need to make some sort of argument to the effect that it isn't necessary.
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:42 AM   #9
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Alan is an ass......

Tell a kid that their "body" (not "You") is obese and it can be fixed....don't have to associate the obesity with the personal identity of the child...obesity doesn't define who a person is, just the current state of their health which they have the power to change once they decide to do so....you empower too much of obesity to the personal identity then people get depressed and go the whole "it's all my genetics and I have no choice" route....thank doctors for that one...
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:23 AM   #10
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using shame as a motivator means you've run out of good ideas. if you can't raise a kid with positive reinforcement, stick to owning dogs.
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Tell a kid that their "body" (not "You") is obese and it can be fixed....don't have to associate the obesity with the personal identity of the child...obesity doesn't define who a person is, just the current state of their health which they have the power to change once they decide to do so....you empower too much of obesity to the personal identity then people get depressed and go the whole "it's all my genetics and I have no choice" route....thank doctors for that one...
Agree with both of these...
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