Cran

Frank Needham · 07-26-2008, 08:26 PM

This dude is 5'8" tall and weighs 120 lbs, or did at one time:
http://www.benbest.com/calories/calories.html
After reading a couple of his pieces about his eating adventures I just thought, no way. This seems almost as bad in its own way as overeating does at the other end of the scale. Extending your life for 20 years or not, it just doesn't seem worth it. Check it if you got some time to burn. I warn you, the guy is pretty chatty.

Dave Van Skike · 07-26-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Needham

This dude is 5'8" tall and weighs 120 lbs, or did at one time:
http://www.benbest.com/calories/calories.html
After reading a couple of his pieces about his eating adventures I just thought, no way. This seems almost as bad in its own way as overeating does at the other end of the scale. Extending your life for 20 years or not, it just doesn't seem worth it. Check it if you got some time to burn. I warn you, the guy is pretty chatty.

his punishment appears to fit the crime...

may he live forever..

Steven Low · 07-26-2008, 08:39 PM

Looks like a good read. Browsed through a bunch of the stuff... a couple passages on insulin resistance and aging mirror a couple of the threads over in I think Paleo or Zone section now actually. Very similar to IF in some respects.

Frank Needham · 07-26-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Low

Looks like a good read. Browsed through a bunch of the stuff... a couple passages on insulin resistance and aging mirror a couple of the threads over in I think Paleo or Zone section now actually. Very similar to IF in some respects.

I had similar thoughts but got fixated on symptoms he started exhibiting such as fainting, headaches, etc. Zone is a form of CRAN from what I know it, which is not a whole lot compared to some. I am trying to reduce my food intake and rearrange the content of the macro nutrients I consume but there is a point at which one has to say "hold on a minute here". Just wait till you read the parts where he talks about what subs he makes for protein, yikes! A picture would worth a 1000 words in this case.

Mike ODonnell · 07-27-2008, 07:06 AM

Insulin is probably the best bio-marker (along with AGEs) when it comes to longevity. That being said...just don't over eat (or cycle feast/famine periods) and do daily exercise. Other than that it's a crapshoot how long one will live....as that guy could get hit by a old lady on a scooter tommorow. CRAN is not something I would want to do and probably doesn't add more benefits to people with proper nutrition and exercise.

Troy Archie · 07-27-2008, 07:59 AM

It isn't worth it. I like scotch too much.

And I'm not much for hemroids.

Mike ODonnell · 07-27-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Needham

I warn you, the guy is pretty chatty.

Dating is probably not taking up too much of his time.....another drawback of CR diets.

Frank Needham · 07-27-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell

Dating is probably not taking up too much of his time.....another drawback of CR diets.

haha, another reason that it made me uncomfortable. Not single anymore but I'd prolly end up divorced as my wife likes to eat, anything, and she would not like it in the least if I didn't enjoy her cooking anymore.

Troy, the roid thing? How messed up is that?!

On the serious side of this topic though, I may, along with working to reduce insulin resistance further still, do the fasting one day per week. More than anything I'd like to do it just to see if I can. My sister referred to me as a shark at one time, "the perfect eating machine", so it would be quite an accomplishment for me to go one 24 hour period without food. And, if it made my sense of well being more enhanced, all the better.

Mike ODonnell · 07-27-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Needham

On the serious side of this topic though, I may, along with working to reduce insulin resistance further still, do the fasting one day per week. More than anything I'd like to do it just to see if I can.

People don't fast because they are brain washed into thinking they need carbs all day long and think all their muscle will dissapear without a constant protein shake every 3 hours....which we know is bogus. Hence why I like IF (esp with the "intermittent" part), you get most all benefits of CR PLUS better fasting insulin levels and can maintain body composition (and gain lean mucle). CR (in the sense of 30-40% less than normal intake every single day) sucks for any body composition gains/maintaining and just leads to loss of muscle and the ability to get laid.

Craig Loizides · 07-30-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell

Dating is probably not taking up too much of his time.....another drawback of CR diets.

Cran man like Maria Sharapova.
http://www.benbest.com/personal/maria.html

Actually there's a lot of interesting information on his site except for his total fear of fat. He actually removed oats from his diet because they contain too much fat. Here's the crazy thing though. He's 5'8" 120 with no muscle and he's eating 1800-2000 calories a day. I hardly think that qualifies as caloric restriction. I think a lot of 175 pound crossfitters out there on the zone eat less than that. He also has very low testosterone levels and the DHEA levels of a 95 year old. I wouldn't think that would be a good marker for longevity. I wonder how much of this is due to high grain, low fat rather than CR.