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Old 07-31-2008, 12:46 PM   #1
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Default Drugs Offer Promise of Fitness Without Effort

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/sc...ml?ref=science

I read this with one thought in my head.

"Why?"
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:54 PM   #2
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:01 PM   #3
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When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?

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Four years ago he found that PPAR-delta played a different role in muscle. Muscle fibers exist in two main forms. Type 1 fibers have copious numbers of mitochondria, the organelles that generate the cell’s energy, and are therefore resistant to fatigue. Type 2 fibers have fewer mitochondria and tire easily. Athletes have lots of Type 1 fibers, and people with obesity and diabetes have far fewer Type 1 and more Type 2 fibers.
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These mice grew more Type 1 fibers and could run twice as far as on a treadmill as ordinary mice before collapsing.
That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit.
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:05 PM   #4
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There's always a catch 22.....get stronger...oh and in the small small print... have liver failure at 40.....people always looking for a pill to replace hard work and effort...the body is smarter than whatever scientists can try and trick it to do....
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:22 PM   #5
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how is this any different than current steroid use?
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:26 PM   #6
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When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?



Am I reading this right?



That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit.
I want to know how they came to a conclusion that athletes have more type 1 than type 2 fibers.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:38 PM   #7
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When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?

Am I reading this right?

That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit.
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I want to know how they came to a conclusion that athletes have more type 1 than type 2 fibers.
It's true that power athletes tend to have.. higher propensity for insulin resistance than endurance athletes.

Their overall explanation there was kinda poor though by grouping athletes in general.


P.S. Can't read the damn article because it says to log in. Anyone wanna copy and paste (most) if it here? (p.s. is that even allowed Greg?)
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And where's the SPCA on this? Heh.
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P.S. Can't read the damn article because it says to log in. Anyone wanna copy and paste (most) if it here? (p.s. is that even allowed Greg?)
Use www.bugmenot.com
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There's always a catch 22.....get stronger...oh and in the small small print... have liver failure at 40.....people always looking for a pill to replace hard work and effort...the body is smarter than whatever scientists can try and trick it to do....
Quite often it crosses my mind that years in the future the period we live in may be looked back on with the same attitude that we do on times before us. They'll be saying "wasn't that quaint that they believed all that", or at least I hope so. If not, the planet is gonna be in so much more of a mess than it is right now.
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