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07-31-2008, 12:46 PM
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Drugs Offer Promise of Fitness Without Effort
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"And for crying out loud. Don't go into the pain cave. I can't stress this enough. Your Totem Animal won't be in there to help you. You'll be on your own. The Pain Cave is for cowards.
Pain is your companion, don't go hide from it."
-Kelly Starrett
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07-31-2008, 12:54 PM
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It's a Brave New World.
And I'm scared.
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07-31-2008, 02:01 PM
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When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?
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Four years ago he found that PPAR-delta played a different role in muscle. Muscle fibers exist in two main forms. Type 1 fibers have copious numbers of mitochondria, the organelles that generate the cell’s energy, and are therefore resistant to fatigue. Type 2 fibers have fewer mitochondria and tire easily. Athletes have lots of Type 1 fibers, and people with obesity and diabetes have far fewer Type 1 and more Type 2 fibers.
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Am I reading this right?
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These mice grew more Type 1 fibers and could run twice as far as on a treadmill as ordinary mice before collapsing.
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That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit. |
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07-31-2008, 02:05 PM
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There's always a catch 22.....get stronger...oh and in the small small print... have liver failure at 40.....people always looking for a pill to replace hard work and effort...the body is smarter than whatever scientists can try and trick it to do....
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07-31-2008, 04:22 PM
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how is this any different than current steroid use?
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07-31-2008, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick Donnelly
When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?
Am I reading this right?
That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit.
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I want to know how they came to a conclusion that athletes have more type 1 than type 2 fibers. |
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07-31-2008, 05:38 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Donnelly
When haven't there been drugs offering fitness without effort?
Am I reading this right?
That's "fitness?" Let me see a rat that can deadlift twice its bodyweight and do a dozen muscle-ups, then I'll call it fit.
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Perry
I want to know how they came to a conclusion that athletes have more type 1 than type 2 fibers.
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It's true that power athletes tend to have.. higher propensity for insulin resistance than endurance athletes.
Their overall explanation there was kinda poor though by grouping athletes in general.
P.S. Can't read the damn article because it says to log in. Anyone wanna copy and paste (most) if it here? (p.s. is that even allowed Greg?) |
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07-31-2008, 09:08 PM
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And where's the SPCA on this? Heh. |
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08-01-2008, 04:10 AM
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Location: Charleston, SC
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Originally Posted by Steven Low
P.S. Can't read the damn article because it says to log in. Anyone wanna copy and paste (most) if it here? (p.s. is that even allowed Greg?)
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Use www.bugmenot.com
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"And for crying out loud. Don't go into the pain cave. I can't stress this enough. Your Totem Animal won't be in there to help you. You'll be on your own. The Pain Cave is for cowards.
Pain is your companion, don't go hide from it."
-Kelly Starrett
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08-01-2008, 06:00 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell
There's always a catch 22.....get stronger...oh and in the small small print... have liver failure at 40.....people always looking for a pill to replace hard work and effort...the body is smarter than whatever scientists can try and trick it to do....
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Quite often it crosses my mind that years in the future the period we live in may be looked back on with the same attitude that we do on times before us. They'll be saying "wasn't that quaint that they believed all that", or at least I hope so. If not, the planet is gonna be in so much more of a mess than it is right now.
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