zone / paleo / intermittent fasting all at the same time?

Jeff Yan · 01-13-2009, 02:41 PM

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Is there any information available regarding those who have tried all 3 simultaneously?

sarena kopciel · 01-13-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Yan

Not sure which forum to post this one under...

Is there any information available regarding those who have tried all 3 simultaneously?

By design, I dont think it works since zone is 3x/day meals and 2x/day snacks and eat within like an hr of wakeup!!

Derek Weaver · 01-13-2009, 06:39 PM

Robb did an interview "series" (it was one interview split into I think 3 parts, maybe a couple minutes each) where he talked a little about IF and eating all one's blocks in the eating window.

It can be done.

Not by Sears' suggestions, but he gets enough wrong as it is.

And Paleo is just food choices, the concept can be applied to anything

Jeff Yan · 01-13-2009, 10:39 PM

Any idea where I might be able to get access to this Robb Wolf interview?

And to clarify, I'm talking about what Derek is saying. While Sears recommends many meals every few hours, I'm talking about maintaining zone proportions and eating all your daily blocks within your IF eating window.

In theory, yes I can see how it can be done. But have a lot tried it? I'm curious to know the results, but I'm also a little surprised that I haven't seen more about it.

George Mounce · 01-14-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Yan

Any idea where I might be able to get access to this Robb Wolf interview?

And to clarify, I'm talking about what Derek is saying. While Sears recommends many meals every few hours, I'm talking about maintaining zone proportions and eating all your daily blocks within your IF eating window.

In theory, yes I can see how it can be done. But have a lot tried it? I'm curious to know the results, but I'm also a little surprised that I haven't seen more about it.

I wouldn't suggest it at all unless you use fruit and dense carbs (i.e. potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams). If you go the veggie route you won't be able to do it based on volume. You'd be too full. Veggies are less dense so you have to eat a TON more to make up the blocks.

Yes, I have tried it. Yes it was horrid. I rather IF.

And no you aren't doing the Zone per say because the Zone is over the course of the day, it has nothing do with IF eating windows.

Gant Grimes · 01-14-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Yan

Any idea where I might be able to get access to this Robb Wolf interview?

And to clarify, I'm talking about what Derek is saying. While Sears recommends many meals every few hours, I'm talking about maintaining zone proportions and eating all your daily blocks within your IF eating window.

In theory, yes I can see how it can be done. But have a lot tried it? I'm curious to know the results, but I'm also a little surprised that I haven't seen more about it.

Yes, it's possible. Yes, the others are right as far as timing technicalities, etc.

You haven't seen a lot about it because the simplicity of IF is the antithesis of Zone OCD. I did a little bit of it (it was fine because I ate mostly fruit to begin with), but I got tired of looking like I had just been liberated from a prison camp. I would not do this without increasing protein blocks and adding BCAAs.

I suppose one nice benefit of this protocol would be enhanced protein utilization. This might help the .7 multiplier people keep from wasting away.

Mike ODonnell · 01-14-2009, 08:49 AM

Best Order:
Start with Zone to learn your calories and eating
Then try to move to Paleo for get better food choices
Lastly add in IF for a lifestyle of health and freedom (from measuring cups)

Doing all at the same time may make your head implode and leading you starting from scratch.

Derek Weaver · 01-14-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Yan

Any idea where I might be able to get access to this Robb Wolf interview?

And to clarify, I'm talking about what Derek is saying. While Sears recommends many meals every few hours, I'm talking about maintaining zone proportions and eating all your daily blocks within your IF eating window.

In theory, yes I can see how it can be done. But have a lot tried it? I'm curious to know the results, but I'm also a little surprised that I haven't seen more about it.

1) I'm going to respectfully disagree with Mike OD and suggest Paleo first. Doing that alone should help reign in insulin levels. Small steps, but he's the one with more experience working with people, and as such likely knows something I don't. Just my two cents on that one.

2) Zone is as much about a careful ratio for caloric restriction as anything. It claims to be about insulin control, which it is, but not due to a magic ratio... if you eat less, you tend to pump less insulin. Unless you're eating nothing but table sugar for your calories (I think we all agree that's pretty stupid).

I personally think that filling in about half your blocks with yams or sweet potatoes PWO is a fine idea. I did this, as per Robb Wolf and liked it. Then I decided it was time to mass gain.. and I ate everything in sight.

3) The Robb Wolf interview is in the CF videos and interviews on the main site.

Mike ODonnell · 01-14-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek Weaver

1) I'm going to respectfully disagree with Mike OD and suggest Paleo first. Doing that alone should help reign in insulin levels. Small steps, but he's the one with more experience working with people, and as such likely knows something I don't. Just my two cents on that one.

One could easily skip over the Zone thing if they are not too attached to their cereals, pastas, and other things that are not allowed really on a Paleo approach. Everyone needs to eat better, but some just need to cut the calories first....then deal with their attachments to processed foods. Either way.....it's not a race, just a daily choice and journey....just like you don't have to be 100% Paleo to see good results for health and fitness, just need to cut out most the crap people eat daily.

Jeff Yan · 01-14-2009, 11:21 AM

Here's my case:
I'm not an experienced cook (gross understatement), so I'm still very new to preparing my own meals. While it is certainly one of my New Year's resolutions to rectify this, this is probably the biggest obstacle as to why I haven't been doing the Zone.

I believe I've been following a not-100% form of Paleo for most of the work week. I may cheat on weekends or when I'm going out, but my fridge consists of mostly meat, vegetables, nuts and occasional fruit, and I often bring my lunch to work.

I've read the introductory articles on Mike OD's blog and really think that IF might work alright for me, if only because on the surface it seems to justify my current lifestyle habits (which would probably be classfied as unhealthy by other sources). I tend to sleep in, miss breakfast and other meals and wait until after I'm done working out to eat anyway. Then when I do eat, I tend to eat a lot.

However, it's been suggested to me on more than one occasion that I could bring my performance to the next level by becoming more acquainted with my measuring cup and this intrigues me as well.

The problem of course is, as Gant puts it, that one requires me to be quite attentive, at least for the first 2 weeks, while the other requires almost no extra effort on my part (aside from being familiar with my overall caloric consumption).